Drug suspect's cash, bicycle seized

Drug bust nets $3.25 and a bicycle
A 40-year-old North Carolina suspected drug dealer tried to flee police on his seven-speed bicycle, but the chain fell off. No drugs were found on him, but police charged him with drug possession anyway (police aren't saying why) and took his bike.

Hat tip to reader Bill from LEAP!

Comments

[G]

Sweet, they caught the world's least successful drug dealer. $3.25 and a bicycle? 'Round here they carry wads of benjamins and drive BMWs.

[Vibiana]

Too bad, now he'll lose his paper route and have to buy crack with his allowance. ROFL

[JC_in_KC]

Can someone let me know when the auction is on the bicycle?

[Plombage]

How can the charge him with drug possession if he didn't have any in his possession?

[J D]

Well, for all the people on here who like to immediately say things like "Good thing this scumbag is off the streets." even when someone hasn't been convicted of a crime -- It's apparently now OK to arrest someone for drug possession when they don't actually have any drugs on them. I guess all it takes is a "witness statement."

I can't wait to walk on down to the police station and start making some "witness statements" about some people here ... now everyone gets to be a scumbag!

[JC_in_KC]

Send up an undercover to make a buy or two. Then come back to arrest him and it is gone. Viola, possession with intent to sell. He might not have it when he was arrested but he did earlier and sold it.

[JC_in_KC]

Aparently JD already knows the facts of the case and is not waiting for any more information.

[J D]

Apparently I read the article, JC.

[JC_in_KC]

Since the article is not a sworn statement I would not base your assumptions off of it. But if you want to go ahead. The police often times do not reveal all the information to the press.

[J D]

Now come on, JC -- if we all waited for sworn statements, how boring would this blog be? I bet I could count on one hand the number of comments that were to the tune of, "Well, the article might not have all the information. I'll reserve judgement until I found out all the facts."

In fact, the "reserve judgement" part pretty much NEVER happens lolz.

I'm pretty sure, though, that if a "fact" of the case was that the man charged with possession, and was, in fact, in possession, the police would be more than happy to say so.

[JC_in_KC]

you never know. I know I had an article about me in the paper a while back and lots was left out of the article. Not blaming the Star, but the communication between the PD and the Star.

[JDog]

JC, I would encourage JD to run on down to the PD station and start filing statements against all the scumbags he knows.
Then he can learn all about filing "false statement"
Lots of people are arrested and then released!
Perhaps the biker is innocent, perhaps not, but time will tell.

[blondie2hot7]

I guess police can make assumptions about pocession, I don't know how? I guess I should be thankful they haven't made any assumtions about me. I wonder if this "man" has had priors or something? But, if that's the case, then they could pull me over if they see me on the streets, and arrest me for "assuming" that I'm going to be driving fast, because I've had a speeding ticket.............

[JC_in_KC]

Slow down blondie, you dang criminal. I am sure there is more than you are reading about. I do not know anyone that has gone to jail because of a feeling. To big of an opportunity for a lawsuit. JDog is right about false statements. I would like to see more of those prosecuted. I hate when people waste time of the police officers.

[blondie2hot7]

I'll just assume that they found drugs he may have ditched before they caught him. Until they start telling why they arrested this man for pocession, that's all you can do. Make a guess anyone?
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I don't think the $10 they are going to make off the sale of the bike is going to buy too many books or lunches for the kids at the local schools they intend to donate the proceeds to, unless, they sell it on E-bay and say it's a collectors item, and a rare one at that! The 1st bicycle seized in a drug bust......LOL

[You're a mean drunk R2D2]

Even if the guy is a scumbag and did run from teh cops. How in the world can they charge him for something if he never had possession?

How would you feel JC if you were pulled over, and then charged with DUI and you had not been drinking at all? What's to stop the cops from doing that as well?

I'm not a fan of crooks and criminals, but I'm even less of a fan of cops who trump up bogus charges with no solid proof. It's a good thing this man will get his day in court to fight those charges and what will end up happening is that he will sue the PD and city because of those baseless charges with no evidence of him doing that.

[JDog]

Hey Blondie,
Got a problem with arrests made on assumptions or statements? Please become active in overturning this one:
Domestic Abuse: Wife says husband hit her; husband goes to jail.
No proof, marks, scratches or brusies required.

[blondie2hot7]

The false statements, I agree 100% people should be prosecuted if they do in fact make a false statement. It can get people into lot's of trouble, the "liar" and the PD for believing the statement, and acting on it.

These kind of things can ruin reputations and put innocent people in jail. I think police have to have some eviedence without a doubt before they would even arrest someone like this. It would be too risky for the PD to do so, lawsuits, bad publicity for the department..

[JC_in_KC]

R2D2, A civil rights violation would probably stop the cops from trumping up a bogus charge such as that. Also a healthy civil suit against the officer and the department would probably deter it. That is like saying what is stopping you from robbing a bank today? My point is just because the newspaper does not have proof of the offense does not mean there is not one. How many times do you read stories like 'Police kill man in own front yard". There is not necessarily an offense stated, but most likely something that would lead an officer to shoot the man.

[blondie2hot7]

JDog.. I wouldn't even know what to tell you in that case. I was a victim of abuse and NOTHING DONE. Go figure that one out.. Report made, eviedence: 2 black eyes 1 swollen nose..
Action taken: Calm down down now "sir" and go on to bed......
You tell me, and I'll tell you.

[JC_in_KC]

Blondie - Sounds like you have had either bad laws (DV laws hav changed a lot) or lazy or bad cops. I should introduce you to my friend. His name is Louie, louisville slugger. He is damaging to knee caps.

[J D]

JDog is right about false statements. It's not like I would actually go and turn people in for things they didn't do. The problem is, though, that in a case like this, where the guy may not be a fine upstanding citizen to begin with, a drug accusation will hardly EVER get fact-checked. Drug busts are too lucrative for police -- even if they never get a conviction, they can still keep the persons stuff. In a case like this, obviously the stuff isn't too valuable, but there are other cases where the police have made off with more then $100,000 worth of money and possessions without the accused person ever being convicted.

[JC_in_KC]

JD - check the facts on that, most jurisdictions do not get to keep the stuff. It is typically auctioned off and the proceeds go to schools, or highways, with little if any going to the PD. Every jurisdiction is different, so some might get more than others, but definately not worth a $20 bike and $3.XX in cash.

[blondie2hot7]

JC: Inrtroduce me.. Enlighten me.. I am telling the truth, they even went so far as to take pictures, when I went to view/retrieve copies, No one knew where they were? That does make a person wonder.........

[blondie2hot7]

Since the bike was wrecked, the price would of depreciated anyhow, so you are probably talking $13.25 total recovery.......... Drugs found in his pocession :$000.000

[J D]

JC, you're right, it is jurisdictional. I think the main thrust of my point was though how easily it really is to make a witness statement and never really have to worry about it coming back to haunt you.

[JC_in_KC]

JD - That is not necessarily the case. Many times you have to think about where the tip comes from before you take any action. You can always get tips from people you are taking to jail, but most of the time they are unreliable.

Blondie - I do not doubt you. I know cases get mishandled and I am truly sorry yours did. In turn many times the victim changes their mind and does not prosecute. The number of DV cases taking to the number actually prosecuted is probably pretty bad. I do not know the numbers, bet would bet against them.

[blondie2hot7]

JC: I was trying to prosecute, I wasn't about to back off, then a verbal threat was made (this happend less than 4 years ago) Nothing done.

The case in my sons death, same outcome, so like I was instructed to do, I went to a higher authority. I know that some people think that if you can't get your county officals off their butts to do anything, that they are stuck. NOT true, there are higher agencies to go to. I've always said "For every person that is in a high office, there is always someone higher up than they are."

[ash]

I am not sure where this guy was arrested, but I know here in kc if they have probable cause they can drug test you right there on the spot. And there was a law created just a couple of years ago stating that they can now charge you with whtever is in your system, so that maybe how the posession.

[blondie2hot7]

Is that a true statement?? I know they can do that with alcohol testing, but drugs? And then charge you with pocession? Whoa!!

[blondie2hot7]

Now JC: I know of a case going on with a "friend" who is a male that was being charged with 3 F and 3 M in aggravated battery, abuse etc. The victim was going forward with both barrells loaded, and now, sooooooo many months later, the victim is backing off (could be where the original criminal threat charge originally came into play)

The prosecutor (yes I know who it is and have spoke to said prosecutor) They can proceed, beings it was turned over to the state, butttttttttt, they have on their hands an unwilling victim, so it's ulitimately up to Mr Judge to hand down the sentence. This female victim, is saying she probably brought the attack on herself?

I was in awe about it. I was told by "the prosecutor" they get cases where victims have been shot, stabbed, beaten to a frenzy, and have pressed charges, then the state takes over automatically.. Then, they let so much time lapse (or threats come from the abuser) that they pretty much refuse to testify against them. (I love you, I'll never do it again, untill you pi$$ me off again) I'm sure thats the same as in the "cell phone being shoved down a womans throat case."

[ash]

Ya blondie its true. i have had that happen to a couple people i know

The government and everybody else needs to stop telling us what to do with our own lives. Without these archaic drug laws, we would reduce our prison population by 80%. But then prisons are very big business.

[ash]

Thats b/c like alot of medical industies prisons are government sanctioned industies, and if we elliminated those then where would all the politicians get all that money

[blondie2hot7]

bah: Thanks for telling me the info, I really did not know they could charge you with pocession if drugs were found in your system..

The only thing I can say to that is, why is it they can do that, but when a pregnant woman in a recent case was murdererd and pregnant, both died, but they would only charge the person with 1 death? That baby was in her body, so I think there are so many double standards on laws, it's hard to keep up with them!!

[JC_in_KC]

Agreed, Hell I do not even know if it is considered a baby or if it is a fetus. Either way it should be the same for both crimes. It either is a life or it is not.

[J D]

Blondie, I was under the impression that you could be charged all the way up to 1st degree murder for intentionally killing a baby that the mother was still carrying? Did this really happen recently, where they didn't prosecute someone on an extra count or murder/manslaughter?

I mean, I was not a person who followed the whole Scott Peterson thing, but I thought they charged him with 2 counts of murder?

Additionally, I'm pretty sure if a man who doesn't want a child does something to the mother (like hit her in the stomach or something) with the intent to cause the baby to abort, then the man could be charged with at least manslaughter, if not murder?

I really could have sworn that's how the laws were in these sorts of cases?

[JC_in_KC]

Blondie, I am not sure what case you are talking about either. I know often if there is more than one life lost, they try them individually. That way if one case get jacked up they have a fall back case.

[oldfartblondie2old100]

It was in a recent thread I believe, if not, it was in the KC Star. It was where they caught the boyfriend of this girl, he is the one being charged with her death.. Greg??? Can you find that story, or tell me which archive it's in, it was just recent news.

[JC_in_KC]

There you go again. It was in the Star. Heck the story was probably retracted immediately for inaccuracies. Don't you check page 15, the stuff that looks like the fine print on a car contract. Those are the retractions.

[blondie2hot7]

Sorry for the name thing in that last post, I used that in the "open thread" making a comment towards those disrespectful teens.. Anyhow, the story was that this girl was pregnant, she was found dead, I believe she lived in Wichita, and they have the 17 yrd old boyfriend as a suspect. I haven't heard anything on it since.. They just said that the "boy" was going to be charged with 1 count of murder, since the baby (8 months pregnant and not considered a human) was not living outside the mother....................

[blondie2hot7]

ok, go to categories (on the left side of this page) click on "homicides - Kansas, scroll down to June 21st and you will find the story, she was 9 months pregnant,and the man is being charged with ONE homicide...........

[Howard Taylor]

Regardless of what happened in this case there is one thing I know; the police are lying scumbags. I challenge any cop to take a polygraph test concerning their personal honesty and integrity and every one of them will fail. They are scumbag liars.

[blondie2hot7]

Howard: Saying "All" is a pretty broad statement.. I have a feeling that you have had a bad experience with the police recently..

I too have bones to pick with the law enforcement, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "All" of them are like that.

[Jimbo]

That is a load of bull about the police being able to arrest you for possesion of drugs when it is in your system. Show me an example of it and I will believe it. Maybe you can get in trouble for having them if you are on probation but I call bull on that statement.

[ash]

ok jimbo you want proof, i can give you a copy of my arrest report from 2 years ago when i was arrested w/ nothing on me just under in influence and was charged w/ posession. I swear this isnt a lie. contact your local law enforcement if you feel it inaccurate.

[blondie2hot7]

Hey bah: I have a few friends that are law enforcement officers in KS. I will touch base with one of them tonight or tomorrow to confirm, I myself don't doubt you.

[JC_in_KC]

Howard - sounds like you have a lot of hostility towards cops. Any reason for this. Could it be too many DUI's, too much jail time. Did you violate your probabtion like your cell mate violated you? Any of those ringing a bell?

[Leroy Brown]

Has anybody here heard of the Constitution? Is it out of style to be "innocent until proven guilty"? I guess it is in George Bush's bizarro world.

[BillFromLEAP]

Statement: "That is a load of bull about the police being able to arrest you for possesion of drugs when it is in your system. Show me an example of it and I will believe it."

Reply: Please visit
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6492#zerotol

[Leroy Brown]

BTW, I agree with Howard.

[blondie2hot7]

That's why we are all individuals Leeroy. We can hate if we want, we can judge if we want. But usually there's a reason behind the hate. I think there are just as many good cops as there are bad cops, just as many good teachers as bad. The list goes on and on.

I've had a "few" bad experiences with the police myself, but I don't think all of them are the same. If you get mad at a police officer possibly arresting you or a family friend, then that's a personal issue, but to put them all in the same category, that's not fair.

[Thomas Kirby]

The biggest thing that will happen when pot is legalized is that farmers will be able to grow more than a thousand gallons of biodiesel fuel per acre that won't even have to be processed to be usable in diesel engines. It will also be usable in oil furnaces.

[Leroy Brown]

Blondie, there is a reason that putting them all in the same pot is fair. Cops are supposed to protect the people they serve regardless of the who is the aggressor. Yet when an oinker commits a crime against a citizen, they close ranks and do everything they can to impede the investigation. It got so bad that they got their own police department to police the police. It's called internal affairs, but they soon became as corrupt, or more so, than the regular oinker service. When pigs do crime, they should do 5x the time. AND they should be put in the general prison popultaion to be used as someone's b!tch.

If you have any question about the morality of the police department, you only have to look at death row in Illinois. One in seven were found, via DNA evidence, to be entirely innocent of the crimes for which they were imprisoned. Those are just the ones that could be proved. How many more not prove it but were innocent? It got so bad that the right-wing, facist governor cleared his conscience by commuting all death row inmate to life without parole, unprecedented as it was. Those men ended up on death row based on the investigations, often rigged and filthy dirty, by oinkers who broke tons of laws and perjured themselves in order to get promotions, pictures in the paper, etc.

They are a necessary evil, and evil is the operative word here. Sorry, all you oinker lovers out there, but these guys are several steps lower than the criminals they bust. See, those criminals never claim to be here to serve us, but those pigs ride around in cars that say "To Protect and Serve" right on the side. Betrayal is the worst cirme of all.

[blondie2hot7]

Leroy: I won't dispute that there are a lot of criminals that have went to prison due to DNA eviedence, and later that same method freed them. I know that I have heard many stories of corrptness within the Law enforcement, lot's. I've even had some episodes, in fact, still do have an ongoing case against the authorities.

I am not saying they don't screw up, plant eviedence, make statements to free a buddy of a crime, but I have also seen the same officers testify against a fellow officer. I can only imagine what he had to go through to to do so.

The case in Edwardsville where Jeff Cheek (an officer in Edwardsvlle) turned in fellow officers for "ticket tampering." I don't believe he wanted to have to resort to that, but he did.

That's just one case that has happend recently, there are so many I read daily that I can't keep up with them. I will say it once again, I am not a "cop basher" and I have been called one many times, but being called a "police lover" thats not even a fair statement.

I merely said, they are not ALL bad, I'm not even going to say it's a 50/50 deal, comparing good to corrupt. I have experienced it, seen it, lived it myself. So, until they get the complete story out on this guy, the "guilty until innocent" is implanted in our mind. And, I won't pass judgement on ALL cops, unless or until they give me a reason to believe they are not doing their jobs correctly, I can only hope they are doing the right thing. I could go on with incidents that have happend to me personally, but I cannot and will not categorize every policeman in the country to be bad, I know that door swings both ways. If you look up "police corruption" you will see that the majority of cops do take "bribes" and take percs such as free donughts for making regular stops at convience stores etc.

These things (the food gifts most generally) is a form of corruption, but it usually goes with no charges being brought, as that really can be an exchange for protection, and the owner of the store knows if they feed the cops, they will be back their to make more stops and make sure all is well in that area, which personally, I think that should be the store owners choice to do that.

I know the corruption exist's, I know more than just "food percs" are given, and hopefully more "uncorrupt" cops come forward and tell of whats going on within the department, when they know it's happening. And not to do it because of jealousy, but because these cops need to have a conscience, and know right from wrong, more so than the civillians. I could write a book on the corruptness of the police department just based on personal experiences, but I can also tell you that there are a some I could write a book about that have done nothing but good, and do not tolerate this behavior in the department.

Just don't be a "hater." I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I am not a person who thinks someone is "instantly guilty" until proven innocent.

[Thomas Kirby]

Ever hear of the doctrine that those who protect criminals also commit a crime? The criminals in the police department and their deeds are known to the "decent" ones.

[JC_in_KC]

Blondie - A bribe, according to webster, is "money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust". I do not think a cup of coffee or a donut (as you say) would constitute a bribe. A perk maybe, but I do not know many cops that would hesitate to arrest a QT employee if they had too. And Qt does give free drinks, not only to cops, but firemen, and ambulance drivers. I can understand your frustration with the police officers. Leroy on the other hand I can not. I can assume he has been on the other side of the gray bar hotel, and probably made a bitch by someone. Sounds like he has a lot of misguided anger and a poor sense of reality. A guess the anal rape will do that to you.

[Doc]

In Response to Thomas Kirby | Saturday, September 02, 2006 at 03:11 PM
This is true. My Dad and Grandfather, along with a Uncle were Deputies and Sheriff in Wyandotte, back in the day, My oldest brother was murdered and one of the guys that did it, accidently got killed will trying to escape. That's what I was told.

[Doc]

JC, you mean cross bar hotel.I have not heard it referred to as the "gray bar hotel"

[blondie2hot7]

Hey Doc: I think they should start calling it the "Hotel California" anymore. YOu can checkout anytime you like, but you can never leave.

Reason: The repeat offenders. They keep going back for more and more. They don't learn their lesson the 1st time, the 10th time etc.

JC: Type "police corruption" in your browser. It does state that police officers are NOT suppose to take "food, drink etc" from any establishment. They state (unless the website is lying) those are all forms of "corruption." If you can find different, then you can prove me wrong.. I have looked it up, trust me..They also say that the "lttle stuff" leads to "bigger stuff" which leads to "favors." I'm not just pulling this out of my butt. And if the websites are posting false information, they need to be reported.

[BS Steve]

I think in Missouri in order to be required for drug testing by an officer you would have to be on probation,parole etc.. but other than that they cant just make you test on the street and take ya to jail as for this guy if JC is true then I would think the cop (s) would have monitored a drug transaction and sales to anyone of this guys friend etc.. therefore more will go to jail if that is what happened dont know yet but they had some excuse I would think or they could be looking at a serious law suit.

[BS Steve]

but drug pocession is just that in (your) pocession if he had no drugs how can they charge possession ?

Intent to buy and sell is just that and is a charge on its own.Possesion is a total different matter I am cofused on this one.

[JC_in_KC]

BS - All the police have to do is show that he had possession of the drugs at one time. The charge does not dictate that he must have them on his person at the time of the arrest. If he did sell to an undercover and they went back bust him and he had nothing, then they could either charge him with sales or just possession. I know that some prosecutors will not charge sales unless there has been numerous documented buys. So then they get a lessar charge of possession.

I am pretty sure you do not get randomly rug tested by cops, especially in KC. I know in CA a lot of times to get probation or parole you sign away some of your 4th amendment rights. So then if a cop thought you were under the influence of drugs they could drop you with your P&P officer who would test you. Here I have never seen it.

[Thomas Kirby]

Maybe corruption starts when two sides are defined and the police have to "love" one side and "hate" the other. I'm sure that a lot of people have felt quite confused at the hatred that seems to be expressed against them when they mess up. They've felt that way since they were children. Not only do they feel hated when they actually do something wrong, they feel hated when they don't, and they feel as if the domineering people deliberately overreact to excuse violent actions. There's some corruption for you.

[BS Steve]

Maybe if they sold to him it would be possesion but him sell is intent to sell and that would be the charge they would nail him on why would they go to the lesser charge that would be unethical of cops to do that their job is to keep these guys off the streets not let them off easy that makes no sence.

Either charge would stick being they have the same ammount of evidence either way that is why I smell a rat in this one just doesnt make sence.

[JC_in_KC]

BS - You are not seeing the big picture, if they charge with the sales, which I think would be best, he will get his jury trial and say that was the first time or some other like excuse. If the prosecutor only has the one buy from him it is hard to prove that he is a real drug dealer. That is why most undercover operations usually get more than one sell from a dealer before they arrest him. So they can say that yes he sold, not only once, but two, three, or four times. You can smell a rat, but I do not think it is here on this case. Not for a total of $23.75. I could be wrong, but I would bet against it. I would love to see this case get tracked to the end, but it will probably be forgotten by Tuesday when Greg gets back.

[blondie2hot7]

JC: In response to your comment, the only reason I threw the word "donut" in there, is because the web-site I got into about "police and corruption" stated that a lot of police officers went to Quick-Trips and other convience stores, and the clerks gave them free coffee and donuts.. That was one of their own examples given.

They said that corruption is a form of accepting food, drink etc in return for police protection, meaning, keeping an eye on that particular store. In other cases, it said that police were like "look outs" at chicken fights, dog fights, Illegal things such as that, and that monetary "gifts" were given in order for the police to provide "protection" from them from being caught, like they had a plain clothes cop that would alert the people having the "illegal" thing going on, and make sure they were prepared to cover their butts.

The point I'm getting at, is that they do consider, as per the website, that food is corruption, money is corruption, and allowing people that a police officer knows(from recieveing such gifts) to slide through on paying tickets etc. So, I guess if the website is in fact wrong, then it's wrong. But these were some officers that put this website together (all non-police now) nevertheless, they say that their bosses, chiefs all told them it was in fact considered corruption, and to NOT accept things of that nature, food or non food gifts because it gave the dept. a bad name, and it opend the door for these individuals to ask for "favors" in return, and the police felt obligated to do so........

[JC_in_KC]

Blondie - I can follow that logic, but it all hinders on 1 thing. The people at QT doing illegal activities. So either QT is a mecca for crime and the police are doing a great job covering it up, or that theory is fundamentally flawed. It is many companies policy that uniformed public employees recieve free beverages (I never got any free donuts, but I do not like donuts). There is really no difference if QT were to hire off-duty for security (which pays close to $30/hour), or if they just offer free drinks to attract more officers in the store. Police know why they do it, that is why you will see many officers get a drink and then stand in there for about 15 minutes. I see this as more of a trade of goods and services. I would completely agree that it is corruption if QT said come in and cover us while we unload our bricks of tar of the truck.
Also each department has policies on what they can and cannot take, when I was a CA deputiy, the policy was absolutely nothing for free. It was considered exactly how you said, a gateway to asking for a favor. But if you spend some time as a cop you here people ask for favors almost every night.
The only other problem I have with saying that if you take a free drink you are corrupt, is that it is not just police taking the drinks. Does that mean all of our firefighters are corrupt, as well as the MAST employees, and the military. They all get the free drinks at QT.

[blondie2hot7]

JC: Let me put it this way, I worked at KoKo-Mo's drive in restaurant in the 70's. I also quit within weeks prior to the owner being murderered. I also was told to never charge particular officers that came in the restaurant for food or drink. I was given rides to my house from particular officers (which I know, and they knew was not accetable at that time, nor is it now)

Free drinks, free food, and free rides,. All illegal.. You know the outcome of that story, and I have to admit that the owner/perpetrator was probably as guilty as hell of abuse. I witnessed the abuse of his children myself, part of the reason I looked elsewhere for epmployment while I was attending high school, and even during the summer months.

The police officer's in question talked way too much for my liking, but trust me, I heard things from the "owners" mouth that caused me to quit, very inappropriate to be talking to a teen like that at the age he was.

These officers got all the free food, and then........... Well you know the end result. I think you can understand my reasoning for thinking the way I do a little bit better now.. And, with what I have going on, it only gives me flash backs of the days as a teen working at other fast food- indvidually owned restaurants. Small things, turning into bigger things, little favors, turning into larger favors......... etc.

[BS Steve]

JC,

Isnt the cops job in this case to get the drugs off the streets?I am sure all these transactions he is making with the cops on buying is only when he is sold out(rememeber the ounce,pound etc.)they sold him.If thats the case then wouldnt they be considered as a dealer in there some place it has to have a source doesnt it.

Any way that sounds a little risky on the cops to me to be setting themselves up as entrapment on the same charge.

Granted I know that sounds stupid but I know how lawyers think in cases like that unless the police are protected in some way by a law.Just my input.

[JC_in_KC]

I am not following how this could be entrapment. Entrapment is when the cops entice or lures you into committing a crime. They are not luring him to sell the drugs, or probably not (hard to tell from this little article). All I know is you are going to be hard pressed to find a prosecutor that will charge someone with sales based on one sell. Trust me I know how stupid lawyers think.

[JC_in_KC]

Blondie - I do not know the end result, hell did this guy ever go to jail? Did the cops have direct knowledge of him abusing children? Was there some activity in the rides home you got from the police that was unacceptable, or just the ride? Because if it is just the ride, trust me police are often times confused as Yellow Cab. I have had numerous times were people call 911 and say they need the police. When we get there they just want a ride somewhere. Now if there is more than a ride going on, that is unacceptable, no matter what age you were. If the cops were turning a blind eye about the abuse due to the free food, that is also unacceptable. I do not buy the theory that a free drink will lead to pay-offs down the road. All cops know the difference between a free drink for a police presence at a QT and taking 40k to let someone walk with drugs.

[BS Steve]

JC,

I would say some scumbag lawyer would try to twist it as enticement of drugs and the money saying supply and demand is part of the case also they do alot of crazy stuff look at the vultures that tryed to jump on board the "Ramsey" case they was waiting on the shores before that nut job got to the states. lol

[blondie2hot7]

I just wish that in this case, they would of just came out and said why they were charing this guy with pocession, instead of leaving us hanging like this!!

Heck, I'm sitting here thinking of crap that happend 30 yrs ago! I can't figure this one out, pocession and no drugs found in his pocession? Makes sence to me...........I want to be a cop and a prosecutor, I could "crack" this case.......

[blondie2hot7]

JC: YOu surely aren't going to tell me you didn't hear of the "Larry Brigg's murder?" The cop killed him,. I'm not sure 100% if he's on the street again or dead, but yesssssssss the cop is the one that killed him. And, its the same one that use to give me rides home from work!! =:O

[blondie2hot7]

JC: One more thing: Even though the cop was making "unwanted advances towards me" What he got charged with is 200% worse than his continued asking me to go out! I just finally told him "NO, no and hell no!!" He was old enough to be my dad..

Greg can probably dig the story up about the murder for hire, and yes, the officer was found guilty, pleaded guilty, and the wife of this dead guy, pled guilty to "murder for hire." She got 6 months?????????????????

[blondie2hot7]

JC: I keep forgetting that you are a "young" policeman. But, if you ask any of your superiors, they could probably tell you of this case I'm talking about. Yes, the police witnessed the abuse, yes they found this restaurant owner floating in a barell in wyandott county lake, and yes the advances towards me? My knee is not an arm rest. GOsh! Anhow, I was afraid of this man, so I quit taking him up on his offers to give me a ride home, and I finally quit working there, because I couldn't stand to see the kids getting abused, the wife of this man coming to work everyday haven been beaten up etc. It goes on and on, long story....................

[JC_in_KC]

Blondie - You are forgetting I am a middle aged non-police officer. I quit that business about 3 years ago now. I hate police work, to many jack as$es on both sides of the law. I do not like the liberal policies that have taken root here in KC and the get soft on crime approach that they are currently taking. Either way I appreciate the young comment, and I have not heard of this case. I have some friends still on the dept I will certainly ask about. I am sure some digging on the web will lead me to a story or two. Anyway I am not saying that there are not bad cops, there are. Hell I can point some out to you. What I am saying is 90% are good hardworking men and women that abide by all the laws and policies. The ones like the guy you are mentioning sound like the 10 percenters. Every profession has them, and every profession tries to get rid of them. Ultimately the majority of the cops who take a free drink are not corrupt, those who advance on little girls are. You have to see the difference, it is there.

[JC_in_KC]

Hey blondie - I found another article about police corruption, this one deals with the firemen as well. http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/kc/ticketing/policefire.jsp
enjoy your day off all, while I am slaving here at work.

[BS Steve]

you are not alone :)

[BS Steve]

I was just lookin at LEAP lol that is just wrong on so many levels I cant even complian about cops on that one deprssing.

[Thomas Kirby]

If it is that necessary to raise revenue for the schools there are better ways to do it.