How much does Daddy love you?

Enough to wrestle a pit bull.

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[Searching]

"Had it not been for the father being present and pulling the dog from the child, that girl most probably would not have survived the attack," Martin said.

One of a million reasons a girl NEEDS her dad.

[Stepfather]

Yeah, Precious Doe's father was a real positive influence on HER life ...

Having somebody in the house with the title "father" is not enough. Fathers have to be good examples and teachers for their children. Sadly, a lot of men are not up to the job, just as a lot of women become mothers because they have the right plumbing ... not the right virtues.

[The Golfer]

There is nothing I wouldn't do for my daughter, including sacrificing my life.

Those of you who know me the best from this blog know that.

[The Golfer]

Does he deserve an award?
He will get it when his daughter gives him a big hug and tell him she loves him.
That is all he will need, I know it would be all I would need.

[Truth Teller]

Let's not forget it was a STEPFATHER who killed Precious Doe.

Overall, the best place for children is with their bio-parents.

Oh, so now STEPFATHERs are automatic bad guys?

You don't get it TT. There are good fathers and good stepfathers. There are bad fathers and bad stepfathers.

What we need is for ALL parents to step up and be good examples and teachers for the children in their lives.

[winkyb2me]

You know, TT, not ALL stepparents are evil. Some are more loving to the kids than their bio-parents are. Give it a rest.

[Searching]

When I said DAD.. I meant bio/stepdad.. kids need a strong father figure.

[Sasquach]

This dad, along with the uncle of the kid who beat up a shark to get his nephew's arm back, needs to be inducted in to the Chuck Norris League of Asswhoopery. Thier battle cry is unknown, because all who have heard it and didn't die passed out from witnessing the magnitude of the beat down that followed. Mess with their kids and it's going to take a lot more than sharks and pit bulls to stop them.

[lame]

I'm not going to win the popular vote by saying this, but, when are we as a society going to demand that all Pit Bulls be euthanized? I don't care how much you need to protect your 91 crown Vic and trailor. We dont need animals breed to kill being used as house pets. Then because the owner is to busy viewing internet porn to realize that his 120lbs+ killing machine has broke thru its 3/8 thick pleather leash, some poor girl has to live with scars on her body for life. I know people are gonna say "its all on how you raise them" I call bull sh*t on that. They are mentally deviated animals. Go put that same love and attention into a Golden Retriever.

[thinker]

Hell of a father. Damn.

And stepdads can be just as awesome heros as bio-dads. Maybe even moreson cause they don't have the genetic inclination.

As for the dogs, we need to limit those who can own dogs, not the dogs themselves. I can't walk my pit/bulldog mix Winston Churchill in the downtown without some ignorant urban-dweller wanting to breed her (never mind the 8inch incision scar on her abdomen from when she was spayed). Yes, Winston is dog agressive (tho not to people thankfully); but that makes it my job to prevent bad things from happening.

Just let the owner be responsible as if they'd committed the act themself. In this case, assault with intent to kill a child.

[Truth Teller]

You know, TT, not ALL stepparents are evil. Some are more loving to the kids than their bio-parents are. Give it a rest.

Posted by: winkyb2me | Friday, November 21, 2008 at 08:33 AM

Never said that Winky - You just implied that.
Perhaps you should give it a rest.

Overall, the best place for children is with their bio-parents.

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[You're a Mean Drunk R2D2™]

Ahhh, another touching story of the Dog of Peace™ and how wonderful they are. Can we kill all of them yet? How many more have to die or be maimed in their jaws?

Kudos for the Dad in pile drivign that dog into next tuesday. Hopefully that killing machine is dead, or soon will be. They are predisposed to be vicious and even if they are sweet and loving, they can snap at a moments notice and harm those that you love.

[Dog Lover]

Sorry, Thinker, I disagree with you on the dogs. While you're right that they can be trained to NOT be agressive killing machines, they have been bred to be very agressive, and when a dog gets nervous or stressed, or just has a bad day, then the breeding can override the training.
If a normal dog has a bad day, odds are they'd be a lot less dangerous than a pit-bull having a bad day.
I just can't buy the argument that people get pit-bulls for "companionship" and then they're just shocked when it goes berserk and nearly kills someone.
That's like having a decorative vase full of nitro-glycerine on your fireplace mantle. Its beautiful until someone knocks it to the floor and the whole house blows up. You're just asking for trouble if anything goes wrong!

Dog breeds have specific traits and instincts that are part of their DNA and NOTHING can change it. Just like a tiger or a lion or a bear, their instincts are guaranteed to kick in and no amount of training or conditioning will stop it. This specific breed was not bred to be a guard dog. It was not bred to be a companion dog. It was not bred to be a hunting dog. This breed was specifically bred and developed for the sole purpose of fighting other dogs and was never bred to be a pet. Any person, who has a pit-bull and is delusional to think otherwise, is as big a menace to society as the dog is. Backyard breeders make a bad situation worse by breeding indiscriminantly, dogs that have major psycological flaws. Yes, dogs can be mentally crazy. They can also have ADHD, diabetes, low thyroid, STD's almost everything a human can have. When a breed has as long a history of unprovoked attacks on people and other animals as the American Pit-bull, there needs to have a major rethink on the current laws and statutes that are not working or preventing additional attacks. I smell a lawsuit, and rightly so.

[SG]

Another PITBULL attack. They always say, "Oh, he's such a sweet dog. He would never hurt anybody!" PITBULLS are KILLERS.

[thinker]

"That's like having a decorative vase full of nitro-glycerine on your fireplace mantle. "

Or a gun for that matter. People adamantly guard their gun rights, do they not? Posession of a dangerous item (firearm or dog) is not a sin. Allowing it to harm others is the sin.

Anyone who allows predispoisition in their argumentation is already making up excuses for themselves. After all, no species has a greater history of violent predisposition than humanity.

In summary, you can elminate the breed on the grounds of being dangerous only after you have euthanized yourself and the rest of your fellows first.

And on a more emotional note, you can have my dog when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

[Kelly]

I agree. Nature beats out nurture every time. It is IN these dogs, it is INSTINCT. I has nothing to do with how they are raised. They may be raised in the most loving home possible and the dog may be friendly and loving, but if the right situation arises, instinct WILL take over and the dog will maul someone it loves. It can't help it - that's what nature does. INSTINCT. Different breeds have different characteristics and traits - I have a poodle, which I specifically sought because of their characteristics - they are easy to train, very animated, social, and people-oriented. Their instincts are for hunting, which translates to games such as chasing balls and finding hidden toys (when a pet), as opposed to Pit Bulls, whose instincts are aggression (especially dog aggression), they tend to be stubborn, and they have an instinct to attack under stress and not stop attacking until whatever they're attacking is dead, which translates to them killing a two-year-old who screams with joy because it just opened a birthday present (when a pet). Yep, I choose a poodle.

[Dog Lover]

Big Difference, Thinker, A gun can't climb out of the bedside table, load itself, jump the fence and shoot the girl in the swing next door. A dog is a living breathing thinking being, and it makes decisions on its own.
Don't worry, I don't want to take your guns, because I know that 99% of gun owners are reasonable people. You aren't going to shoot my daughter. But I can't trust your dog, no matter how well you think you've trained it because it has a mind of its own.
Big difference!

[Mickey Mouse]

I'd rather have a good, responsible stepfather than a terrible, irresponsible bio-father...

[Mickey Mouse]

"I have a poodle, which I specifically sought because of their characteristics - they are easy to train, very animated, social, and people-oriented."

Not the poodle my cousin owns, you even get close to it's owner and it goes psyco; growling, showing teeth, etc. They ONLY good thing is that it doesn't shed.

[lame]

"In summary, you can elminate the breed on the grounds of being dangerous only after you have euthanized yourself and the rest of your fellows first."

Thinker the difference between animals and humans is the ability to rationalize. The fact that you don't recognize that is even more unsettling know you own a half breed pit mutt. Go get a tattoo if you wanna feel macho.

[Mike]

I have met through the years several pit bull owners. None of them were worth a damn.

"Thinker the difference between animals and humans is the ability to rationalize. The fact that you don't recognize that is even more unsettling know you own a half breed pit mutt. Go get a tattoo if you wanna feel macho."

...then humans rationalize their killing instinct. That makes it even worse, since they actively choose. And your tatoo comment is pithy and inane. Thanks for contributing.

"Don't worry, I don't want to take your guns, because I know that 99% of gun owners are reasonable people. "

Precisely it, it's a percentage. You're guessing that the gun owner is okay. You're guessing that the dog is violent. Your odds may well be different, but it's still a crapshoot. You can't reasonably restrict on the basis of theoretical harm.

I'd like to add, a dog which has already shown a history of human aggression I would fully support euthanizing. (regardless of breed) This shows either 1) the dog cannot be managed, or 2) the owner is an irresponsible fool. Or both. Either way, the dog has lost it's chance, but the point is that it occurs after that specific dog exemplifies the traits in question.

[Disappointed]

Truth teller: Just being a bio-parent isn't enough. My daughter's father frequently has other things to do, makes plans that requires him to drop her off with family. And, this is an improvement from when he actually lived in this house. When he does have her, they spend all their time watching TV, playing games on the PC, etc. The other male family members in her life are much better role-models, spend actual quality time with her, etc. It's my sincere hope that she is influenced more by these men than her father. I want her to be a caring citizen, a financially responsible, well-adjusted adult.

[thinker]

"I have met through the years several pit bull owners. None of them were worth a damn."

I would unfortunately have to claim the same. *sighs* I appologize on their behalf, if it helps.

[CB]

The dachshund was originally bred to scenting, chasing, and flushing animals such as badgers and rabbits. How many modern dachshunds do you think naturally exhibit these abilities over and beyond what any mutt would do? The poodle was originally used as a water dog and for tracking. Does anyone think the modern day poodles show uniquely advantageous characteristics for these activities? I think not. Not anymore than any other dog.

So why is it taken as fact that because SOME pit bulls were originally bred for fighting purposes that they are all now inherently stuck with some hypothetical "killer gene"? If they are stuck with this killer gene, why is it that they were never considered killers until the 1980's, despite the fact that the breed has been in existence for centuries? Why is it that only 1 of the 59 fatal attacks from 1960-1975 were by a pit bull? Did the "killer instinct" skip a generation? Is it just a coincidence that fatal pit bull attacks started to rise in the mid-70's just as it became popular as a "macho" dog, urban street fighter, and guard dog?

Everyone on here appears to be pit bull experts because I have yet to see one cite to a source confirming this "genetic control" everyone takes as fact. Please provide me one scientific study that shows genes control behavior.

When pit bulls were brought to the U.S., dog fighting was illegal. A faction was still used for dog fighting, but the majority were not. They were family dogs, farm dogs, and frontier dogs. Therefore, those "killer instincts" that allegedly all of them have from their fighting past would never have been created in the vast majority of pits, and it definitely would not have continued even if there was such a trait.

The American Vet-Med Assoc., ASPCA, Westminster, AKC, and just about every animal behaviorist oppose pit bull bans and oppose this "inherent aggression" line of logic. Are you more qualified than they are? Have you researched the issue more than they have?

The "pit bull problem" is not founded in the breeding that occurred centuries ago, but rather, it is founded in people and their lack of knowledge, irresponsible ownership, and apathy to find the source of the problem and correct it.

(I can provide sources upon request.)

To "Lame":
I own pit bulls. I have an undergraduate degree and a graduate degree. I own my own house, which is not a trailer. I do not drive 1991 Crown Victoria. Your stereotypical comments show your ignorance and insularity. I know it may be tough for you, but you often have to look beyond the surface to find the source of a problem. Good luck.

[Searching]

After all, no species has a greater history of violent predisposition than humanity.

we spend a lot of money, to euthanize humans that kill, or lock them in a cage for the rest of their lives with other killers.

[step dad]

TT,

You are trying to tell me that my daughter is better off with her bio-dad, that is a drug dealer that has spent time in jail for assualt and has been arrested on gun charges, instead of staying with me, my stable job and health insurance while I send her to the best school I can? Your right, the best place for her is with her sperm donor of a bio-dad who left her with her mother when she was only 4 months old.
Your right, over all instability with bio-dad would be better than the stablity I provide as her real (step)dad.

[You're a Mean Drunk R2D2™]

Thinker, they probably would have to pry your dog from your cold dead hands, because you clamped onto its neck so hard while it was ripping your throat out.

[Truth Teller]

Step Dad - What you are reading into my posts are your own inferior insecurities. I have said nothing of the sort that you, thinking, winky, etc. have implied that I said.

Relax, breathe, count to three and then read...
Overall, the best place for children is with their bio parents.

Now, try to comprehend. I say nothing condemning any foster, step, whatever parents.

[Truth Teller]

Disappointed - I'm sure you point out all of his flaws to her regularly.....

[ABSOLUTELY APPALLED]

OK, MR. GOLFER.....YOU NEED TO ATTEND FAMILY 101....THEN REALIZE THAT BIOLOGICAL PARENTS, FATHERS & MOTHERS, CAN BE THE WORST PERSON IN A CHILD'S LIFE!!! I AM A STEPMOTHER AND A SUPER ONE AT THAT AND MY STEPDAUGHTER LIVES WITH US BECAUSE HER *****BIOLOGICAL MOTHER****** IS A METH HEAD AND USED TO HAVE ******3******PITBULLS AND ONE BIT MY STEPDAUGHTER WHEN SHE WAS 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNLESS YOU ARE A PARENT OF A CHILD, STEP OR OTHERWISE, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO VOICE YOUR SORRY ASS OPINIONS HERE. JUST BECUASE 2 PEOPLE BIOLOGICALLY HAVE A CHILD, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE OF SOUND MIND AND A FIT PARENT.....SO WITH THIS SAID, ARE YOU A PARENT??? AND IF YOU ARE, ARE YOU A STEP PARENT???? DOUBT IT. IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO NEED TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL DISTRICT COURT AND SIT IN ON A HEARING WITH STEP PARENTS INVOLVED IN GETTING CUSTODY BECAUSE THE BIOLOGICAL PARENT IS SCREWED UP....IN ANY WAY THAT THE COURT SEES THEY AREN'T OF SOUND MIND TO PARENT THE VERY SAME CHILD THEY GAVE BIRTH TO..................RESEARCH MORE BEFORE YOU VOICE YOUR RIDICULOUS OPINIONS!!!!!!!!!!! AND WITH THAT SAID, MY STEPDAUGHTER AND I HAVE THE BEST RELATIONSHIP IN THE WORLD AND I LOVE HER JUST AS MUCH AS I LOVE MY BIOLOGICAL SON!!!!!!!!! AND SHE CALL'S ME MOM, SO THERE!!!!!

[thinker]

(is avoiding the parenthood conversation)

"Thinker, they probably would have to pry your dog from your cold dead hands, because you clamped onto its neck so hard while it was ripping your throat out."

Never in a million years. She protects me. I don't expect you to accept a personal anecdote as evidence, but it is true nonetheless. In the event of emergency, I have great faith that she'd not only help me, she'd give her life for mine without a second thought.

I'm sorry you haven't had a good dog to show you what they can be like. They're more loyal than any human can be.

Sidenote, this thread aside, I'm a big fan R2. You're a spark of wit among a field of thoughtless conviction. 8)

"we spend a lot of money, to euthanize humans that kill, or lock them in a cage for the rest of their lives with other killers."

Exactly. The individuals who prove themselves dangerous are incarcerated or killed. Parallel, the individual dogs who prove this ought be simply killed. This is not just equivalent, it's far more severe.

But the whole breed does not need to die for their disposition, and neither does humanity.

[thinker]

Above is me again, obviously.

[dagge]

The only thing my ex husband does for our son is keep insurance on him and have the KC Payment Center deducted from his paycheck twice a month. Not once has he came to a school function, dr visit, or soccer game.

My current husband may not be my son's bio-dad but is more of a father then my ex husband could ever think of being.

I pisses off when people label all step-parents as bad. I had one awesome step-mom when my dad re-married. If not for her my son wouldn't be alive today.

[CB]

Dr. Ian Dunbar -
"The controversy over the pit bull is a red herring, an invention of the media," he says. "There are a lot of breeds that I know are far more dangerous than pit bulls. "Like any breed, a pit bull can be a dangerous animal. But I prefer a pit bull personality."

Study comparing aggression from dogs banned by BSL (pit bull-type dogs) and Golden Retrievers -
"When comparing the Golden Retrievers and the breeds affected by the legislation, no significant difference was found in the occurrence of aggressive behaviour in inappropriate situations."

Portion of American Veterinary Medical Association Position Statement on breed bans -
"An often-asked question is what breed or breeds of dogs are most "dangerous"? This inquiry can be prompted by a serious attack by a specific dog, or it may be the result of media-driven portrayals of a specific breed as "dangerous." Although this is a common concern, singling out one or two breeds for control can result in a false sense of accomplishment. Doing so ignores the true scope of the problem and will not result in a responsible approach to protecting a community's citizens."

PLEASE...anyone who advocates banning/killing pit bulls...please tell me why these statements are incorrect. Anyone? Anyone?

[AG]

Actually, TT, you implied, winky inferred.

[Nemesis]

"The American Vet-Med Assoc., ASPCA, Westminster, AKC, and just about every animal behaviorist oppose pit bull bans and oppose this "inherent aggression" line of logic. Are you more qualified than they are? Have you researched the issue more than they have?"

I bred and raised dogs for decades and won multiple best in breed and best in show ribbons. The ONLY reason the AKC and and other kennel clubs won't delist a breed is because the breeders who are members of kennel cubs are in business to sell puppies. Their bottom line for their opposition is MONEY. Showing dogs has always been a loss for breeders. Breeders mke money on puppies and they are not going to kill their cash cow.

[You're a Mean Drunk R2D2™]

Thinker... Glad to have a fan.

As hard as it may seem, I'm not one who dislikes dogs. There are some that I really like.. And then others I cannot stand. The "toy" dogs that I could squish under my feet are far worse in my opinion as they are more likely to bite someone or an infant. Sure, they can't cause the severe damage that a Pit Bull can.

The reason why I dislike pit bulls? I had to wrestle one off of a friends 4 year old and ended up breaking its neck in the process after it chomped my arm when I pulled it back. This was a friends family dog and it was his daughter who got bit. I just happened to be closer to the kid and the dog when this happened. Luckily the dog did not cause the girl much damage or emotional scarring since I reacted quickly.

I noticed that this Dog of Peace™ was acting a bit strange and different then normal which caused me to pay close attention to it. My friend thanked me profusely, helped bandage up my arm and then took the carcass in the backyard and buried it.

That said, I'm a cat person. :)

[thinker]

"I had to wrestle one off of a friends 4 year old and ended up breaking its neck in the process after it chomped my arm when I pulled it back. "

Hardcore. I'm impressed. And for what it's worth, fully support the action (not that you needed approval). That dog needed to go.

And if I'm also being hones... I'm alergic to cats. *chuckles*

[You're a Mean Drunk R2D2™]

Oooh... you're not going to like Caturdays here at CSKC then....

[Step Dad]

Truth teller,

Read into what you want about what you precieve as my insecurities, I am fine with whatever impression you have of me. By the way I am totally clam and in control without counting to three. I was simply trying to put some thougthful insight into your narrow minded opinion about bio-parents being the best for kids over all. If you weren't implying anything about step parents then please, enlighten us all on what you mean by your comment. Because your comment right before that about precious doe's step father implied quite a bit. Enlighten us oh teller of truth...

[lame]

Please don't use big ole' words like pithy, inane and insularity. I can't google that fast... lol.. everyone lighten up. If your so well to do "CB" then why does it seem that make ignorant pithy comment bothered you so much? I'm glad your so educated. I'm not... but I'm still happy in life and dont let comments from seemingly inferior morons boil my blood..

p.s. I hope you dont have any kids with that many pit bulls in the home.

[Realist]

"you can have my dog when you pry it from my cold dead hands"

If your dog gets loose and hurts one of my kids, they may be doing exactly that.

If you own a pir bill you're a tool. And no amount of scholling is going to change that.

The majority of fatal dog attacks are by Pit Bulls even though they are not one of the most popular breeds. More children are killed by Pit Bulls then by wolves but what would you think if a neighbor had a pack of wolves in his back yard?

[CB]

Wow...how can I defend myself against that "wolf" logic.

Hmmm, labrador retrievers kill more children than grizzly bears, too. So does that make labs more dangerous than grizzly bears?

There is an estimated 5 million pit bull type dogs in the U.S. and what...appr 10 deaths by these dogs? There is a better chance you kill a child than there is a pit bull does.

[Tom K]

It's pretty strange to worry about such a small chance of being killed by a particular type of dog.

[Last Negro Standing]

"The dog's owner was identified as Rick Harrison, 37, of Gresham. Deputies said they don't expect criminal charges to be filed in this attack but wouldn't rule out civil action."

Why not? What about a lease law?

[thinker]

"If your dog gets loose and hurts one of my kids, they may be doing exactly that."

If my dog hurts anyone, your kid or otherwise, it (the dog being killed) would be well earned.

Till then, you may expect an equivalent level of hostility from me with regards to *your* aggression.

"If you own a pir bill you're a tool. And no amount of scholling is going to change that."

And you're a fool. First it's "schooling", second, that's not even a word. You're looking for education. ...in more ways than one actually.

[Ralfred]

"Why not? What about a lease law?"

You can lease these dogs? What a great idea! "It's not my dog, I only lease it."

Sorry LNS, I couldn't resist.

I was thinking along the same lines. His dog trespassed onto a neighbor's property and hurt two people. Why wouldn't he be facing charges?