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July 08, 2008

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James Poniewozik

Good points all around, and agreed about Richmond's blanket dismissal of blogs/websites. As I blogged at Tuned In, I'm loath to criticize a tour that's really designed for other (i.e., newspaper) critics, but it does seem SOME kind of format change is in order. The best argument I generally hear for TCA (though as you note it has it own flaws) is that the real productive parts of it are not the insipid panels but the one-on-one time with execs and talent. Maybe, maybe not. But if the panels, which take up 80% of one's waking time on press tour, are not the best reason to go, um, maybe it's time to tinker with them?

However, one hitch: might it not be that those panels are the one thing that still convinces editors to pony up for airfare and hotel rooms?

Rick Ellis

Some very good points, and I agree that Raymond's piece really over-glamorized the TCA and the pre-online gatherings.

I've argued for a long time that the TCA gatherings didn't make much sense. My piece from last year prompted a lot of snarky emails from critics, but the interesting reaction was from the networks and studios, many of whom feel that the current process is broken.

http://allyourtv.com/0708season/tca.html

A lot of critics tended to write it off as complaints from an outsider or from someone who isn't part of the TCA (which is a long story in itself).

But my main criticism is simple. It's not the parties or other easy targets (as Eric argues). It's that I don't believe the current setup best serves the interests of the networks or the readers. It might make it easier for some critics, but that's not a valid reason to continue.

I am often in awe of the talent of some of the TCA members. But respecting their talent isn't the same as thinking they're right. And in this case, I don't agree with them.

Ray Richmond

Aaron:

Your critical points and deconstruction of my piece are well taken and obviously insightful. And you rightly slapped my wrist for getting the timing of the network payment of airfare and hotel wrong. I clearly should not have been so specific.

What I also regret is that I was unable to adequately convey my point about the creeping influence of the blogosphere on TCA. It wasn't to scream and shake my fist at the arrival of the new guard so much as to opine that the traditional perception of what we have long known to be TCA has undergone a radical evolution -- and not necessarily for the better.

This is not to say I'm not an embittered middle-aged hack. I'll cop to that. But I like to think that my hypercritical self-awareness serves to at least partially mute the pitiful screech.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, Care to take this outside?

On the other hand, I sincerely appreciate the thoughtful counterpoint.

Ray

Phil Rosenthal

In Ray Richmond's defense, here is an excerpt from a 1989 Chicago Tribune story on the tour by James Warren, which confirms at least some critics still were attending on the networks' dime when Ray made his debut:

Change came in the post-Watergate era of the 1970s. A 1974 "60 Minutes" piece on junkets touched on the tour, revealing a reporter getting $20 from a network for his cab fare from the airport.

Then came the rise of more critical critics, including Chicagoans Gary Deeb and Ron Powers and Boston's William Henry, and the critics' own group, the Television Critics Association. The combative Deeb, in particular, is often mentioned, if not always reverentially, as inspiring many younger reporters - such as the Miami Herald's aggressive Steve Sonsky, 35, a Northwestern graduate, and cerebral Eric Mink, 41, of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch - and a tougher stance toward the networks.

More reporters started paying their way. By 1985, only a small group of freeloaders remained. The end of that was set in motion during an NBC dinner at a Russian restaurant in Los Angeles that year. Marc Gunther, now of the Detroit Free Press, and Bill Carter, now of the New York Times - part of the younger, more skeptical guard - were sitting with [NBC PR exec M.S. "Bud"] Rukeyser and asked why he simply didn't stop the tradition of paying travel and lodging.

He agreed, pointedly alluding to [Jerry] Krupnick, the New Jerseyan, who remained in the small freeloader group but could never be deemed, editorially, a network shill. Krupnick long had taken a combative stance toward the networks.

"Paying Krupnick to come out here is like paying to get jock itch," Rukeyser told Carter and Gunther. NBC said enough was enough, and its competitors agreed.

Aaron

That jock itch story is legend. I'm surprised to learn, though, that it happened AFTER Rukeyser had already taken his marbles and gone home in 1982.

Bill Henry and Ron Powers - Pulitzer winners for writing TV columns. Now them was the days.

Hey Ray, nice gracious reply - with a little something we all value you for, a perfectly placed joke! And to echo Rick, it's possible we've put off this discussion long enough.

Bill Brioux

My first press tour, believe it or not, was in 1984. I remember my editor (at TV Guide Canada at the time), explaining to me that the big, rich, U.S. networks could pay, but that wasn't TV Guide's policy. We paid our own way. Nonetheless, it was still an option in 1984, as I recall, so Richmond's original comment really wasn't off base, TCA bylaws be dammed.
Smart discussion, Aaron. I wish TCA membership meetings were this focused on the big picture; maybe this next one will be.

Ray Richmond

I can also recall a veteran CBS publicist named George Vescio -- sweet old gent -- turning to me in 1984 during CBS's end of TCA at the Arizona Biltmore and noting, as giant slabs of ribs and steaks were being loaded on barbecue grills, "This is our reward for having to put up with you guys." And my reply: "Yeah, whatever strain we put on your heart, this should sufficiently clog your arteries to finish the job." I don't think our relationship was quite the same after that.

Thanks for the back-slap for my rep,y, Aaron, and thanks Phil for coming to my historic defense.

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