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September 15, 2008

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Shaye

I think the first fallacy with this article is suggesting that Tina Fey or any other satirist is responsible for changing the hearts and minds of voters - or, even, that they wish to do so.

The entire purpose of satire is to make fun of a candidate, while using the hilariously ignorant and/or downright dumb things a politician has said. It happened with Gore in 2000, with Bush, Clinton, Carter, Bush Jr., and a handful of other politicians. It's nothing new. So pretending like SNL's digs at Palin last Saturday were some sort of political anomaly is reaching.

It should also be noted (along with many other news sources who've agreed) that SNL has been a huge part of the presidential race for at least eight years. People care about what SNL does. There's a reason why more viewers tuned in last weekend than did during the premiere that followed 9/11. According to the figures listed, this season's premiere almost garnered more viewers than Letterman and Leno combined. The original video on NBC.com has been viewed 2.5 million times world wide, and countless times on cable and broadcast news. This means that Fey's portrayal of Palin reached many more viewers (and voters) than Leno. And, undoubtedly, any future portrayals will be watched just as fervently.

In conclusion, to put it in two words or less: I disagree.

matt stechel

wooow...good article aaron...i mean despite the fact that a large chunk of it was devoted to jay leno punchlines, it does make you think...conan does political humor on rare occasions...well ok, "Conan" doesn't do political humor, but that's what he has the lips for. (aka Robert Smigel's voice--remember all the times he did Bob Dole well over a decade ago now. yeah that makes me feel old, but i;m only 26!!!) anyways I like your point of comedy being the best way to sway peoples' hearts and minds. True too.

John

The SNL Palin sketch was "designed as catharsis for Hillary-supporting Democrats?" Really? Golly, I thought SNL tried to design sketches to make people laugh. Tell me, what was "unfrozen caveman lawyer" designed as? Were Belushi's killer bees sketches designed as catharsis for Nixon supporters? Party on, Wayne.

Sherri

Tina Fey is a registered Independent and was raised as a Republican (Mom always said to pull the lever for them) and first registered as a Republican. She said it herself in that interview for Life magazine where she posed with John McCain a few years back.

She is just intelligent enough to recognise that America needs someone competent, pragmatic and firm to dig America out of the ginormous deep hole she has sunk herself in.

Stooge

The ABC joke from Friday doesn't interest you, AB? And the fact that he kept plugging Charlie Gibson by name?

[Sure it interested me -- it just didn't "embolden" me. Dunno where you're going with the Gibson reference -- he's not Al Gore, he doesn't have to say "my rival on a different network."--AB]

Kevin

Jay Leno is no Jack Paar, and I personally believe that Conan O'Brien will bring something to The Tonight Show that hasn't ever been there, which is all right. Other than that, well put-together article. I really enjoyed it.

American Pundit Fighting

I'm not entirely sold that Leno has the ability to plant timebombs that would sway independents. Hannity and Limbaugh and there strident liberal counterparts would also have little hope.

I still think The Daily Show and Colbert have the best shot. Their critiques are clearly telegraphed but they're also more substantive. They also have the ability to introduce new information with their video pieces.

I've always been curios to know how swayable the middle really is and the effect timebombs really have.

Lola

Well, Sarah Palin's candidacy IS A JOKE, so it's not so hard to see why she's the target of Leno dialogue. She makes it so easy to get laughs. She's a white-trash governor with 5 kids and no idea about governance or foreign relations. She'll probably want to put a trailer on the Rose Garden lawn and take an Army helicopter out hunting.

Robert

There is a little bit of truth in every joke.

Svarten (Sweden)

Listen to more than 170 of the BEST SONGS in support of Barack Obama: http://tinyurl.com/2t4mjf

Allyson

Thank you for this. I feel better now!

When Elephants Fly

Comments welcome: http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com
Leno is absolutely hilarious. It's funny that while the mainstream media has turned the election into a comedy, it takes a comedian to actually tell it like it is. What is scary to me is that as funny as Leno's monologue is, there is far too much truth behind it. Ultimately, I pray that the American people will look past the smoke and mirrors and focus again on core issues like the disastrous state of our economy and John McCain's plan to increase the tax burden of the middle class. People are already struggling to make ends meet, we don't need another Republican president to make the rich richer and poor poorer. While Republicans claim to represent the conservative side of social issues like being anti-abortion and anti-gay-marriage, they haven't done anything in these areas. Instead, they have used greed to destroy the economy, allowing the wealthy to become even wealthier while the middle class is forced into poverty.

If you think McCain has honor and integrity, check him out in action here: http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=2arf1Fvuu5Y


Comments welcome: http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com

Tim Kelley, St. Paul, MN

I have always found Leno very funny but at best he is just the least perverted of the group...the stuff we laugh is an indicator of the type of people we have become..."deference" or "respect" is not EVER to be expected in the culture of the 21st century. The days when the media would not photograph President Roosevelt below the waist to protect his manhood are LONG GONE. This is the age of cynicism...FDR could play Happy days are here again after being elected in the midst of the worst economic depression in our history...If John McCain were to do that upon being elected he would be recieved with total cynicism. This is who we are and where we are at.

Franglais

I'm surprised that some people here would bother commenting without reading the article in it's entirety. Or in the case of the first comment, through the second paragraph.
That said, I enjoyed the analysis and do hope you're right.
I too am a bigger fan of Stewart and Colbert than of Leno, but unlike "american pundit fighting," feel that they are even more for the enjoyment of the Left than say, Tina Fey.

Marvin Music

I'm not a big fan of Leno but a few of those jokes had some merit to them that could, I think, make independents think twice about Palin.

I think a lot of people are re-thinking Palin right now - her favorables are dropping as fast as her unfavorables are rising. Soon she will be a net negative for McCain.

Stooge

I just meant that it seems as if ABC is no longer a rival network for Leno...

victor the crab

Ugh! Are you kidding me? Jay Leno hasn't been funny in years, if ever. That people still tune in to hear what he has to say says a lot about the intelligence of the American people. Stick with Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert for some really funny and devestating attacks on the shortcomings of politicians and their weasel words.

John Carpenter

Jay Leno, "Kingmaker".

Remember this zinger before the election in 2004:

"Political experts say President Bush was off his game. He looked distracted, confused, a little at a loss for words. Off his game? That is Bush's game."

Yep. That helped Kerry a bunch.

"Of course you know, President Bush has been taking a couple days off this week to prepare for the debates. In fact, he's having a microchip implanted in his ear. This will allow Dick Cheney to speak to him directly. 'It's pronounced 'Fallujah' 'Abu Ghraib.'"

That must have been worth a few electoral votes.

Memo to Jay, dave, and Bill Mauer: Your guy Barry has been told by "Don" Clinton to stay away from the subject of "Palin" because you
just keep her name out there.


Roni , Miami, FL

Any chance we can ditch Palin and have Tina Fey stand in in her place? Then I MIGHT consider voting republican.... no... not really. Not ever. Not now. No how! No way!

I thought Tina Fey was more like Palin than Sarah Palin herself!

eb1

One difference between Leno and Stewart/Colbert is that the latter primarily attracts a younger and more Democrat-leaning crowd, along with a few David Gergen/Chuck Hagel type of Republicans, while Leno cuts across a wide swath of more undecided Mabels from Zanesville types.

Stewart/Colbert can only serve to energize their fellow travelers, who are already going to vote for Obama, while Mabel, who probably doesn't watch Stewart, can be swayed a bit more that the True Believers.

obi-wan

i think Leno just jokes about what is funny and relevant to current events. He also writes according to his audience. Palin is new on the block thats why the focus is on her. check back to when Obama entered the scene. He was often the target of many jokes.

Comedians dont check the political message of their jokes, they just want to be funny as long as its not offensive.

Carolyn

Anyone who is naive enough to think that comedians on TV are politically neutral, was born yesterday.

Dennis

Given the fact that Leno practically endorsed Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor of California, his assessment of Sarah Palin says something.

Nancy

I think someone would have to be pretty simple-minded to have their votes swayed on the strength of one or two clever political sketches. Most shows tend to reflect, rather than, influence public/media opinion perspectives on the political issues and personalities of the day.

I find Leno's humour, especially the political stuff, very predictable and tame, if not downright repetitive. His point-of-view is rarely fresh but just a rehash of what the media is already saying about a particular issue or person. And then he repeats that theme again and again. Let's see...Bill Clinton is randy, Hillary is cold, McCain is old, Palin is inexperienced, Bush is dumb, Cheney is hostile, politicians have been known to lie, blah, blah, blah... I believe he was the very last comedian to give up the ghost on Monica Lewinsky jokes. How clever and fresh is that??

Janet Moeller

I think who ever the messenger is the message needs to get out to the public-- Leno, Stewart, Colbert, and Maher, etc. After the Gibson interview it was very clear to me that Palin is NOT part of reform or the answer to our failing economy, health care issues, environment, education, Women's rights, the list goes on and on.

After the Gibson interview I started looking into Palin's politics and I was horrified to read that as Mayor of Wasilla she made rape victims pay for their own $1200.00 rape kits. Now whether that was her doing or not she didn't change that policy. It was then Govenor Knowles who changed that policy. Palin bullied a librarian for not removing certain books from the library. Well actually, she fired her, but the town was in an uproar and the librarian was reinstated. When asked for comment on the situation; the librarian responded something to the affect; that it was such a horrible time in her life that she didn't want to comment. Palin is just the pretty face placed on the ticket of the GOP's platform of lies, fear and greed. She is being used like Susan Harris (of Florida) was used for the 2000 election-the parties moll.

Around the first of September I read a brief article about the Bush Administration wanting to restrict access to birth control. "The Health and Human Services Department wants to redefine many forms of contrapception--including IUDs and most birth control pills--as abortion. The rule change, which would bypass Congress, has vast implications. Pharmacists and health care workers who object to abortion could refuse to supply women with contraceptives. Insurance companies could withhold coverage for birth control. Rape victims could be denied emergency contraceptives." Palin's belief that abstinence is the only acceptable alternative of birth control would lock this in. My question is, how would men who have had/or want to have a vasectomy be treated in the policy change? Isn't sterilization the ultimate form of birth control under this policy definition of abortion? Once again the Social Conservatives are trying to solve their problems by limiting and/or taking away the rights of women.

No matter who the messenger is... all of the information needs to be accessible to the public and people will hear what they want to hear and form their own opinions.

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