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August 28, 2007

Anti-cloning initiative

I am writing to respond to the Aug. 23 article by Kit Wagar (Local, “Cloning foes advance cause; Push aims at ballot issue next year in Missouri to reverse part of last year’s Amendment 2”).

I support the Cures Without Cloning initiative because it will close the cloning loophole that currently exists in our Missouri Constitution. This initiative will ensure that none of our tax dollars can be spent on human cloning experiments. It will allow researchers in our state to focus on the many avenues of ethical research that provide real cures and treatments and real hope for those suffering from diseases.

This initiative does not prohibit stem-cell research. This is not a stem-cell issue. It is a human cloning issue.

This initiative is going to stop Amendment 2 and I support it 100 percent.

Dominico Nguyen
Kansas City



jack: "Which textbooks would those be? Who are the authors? What group sponsored and/or published the books?"

What do you mean, "What group?" These are regular, secular, secular science textbooks. How many would you like?

"It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and the resulting mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual." -- Human Embryology, Bradley M. Patten

"The cell results from fertilization of an oocyte by a sperm and is the beginning of a human being." -- Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. [Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N.4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

"Fertilization is that wondrous moment that marks the beginning of life for a new unique individual." -- Biology of Gestation, Dr. Louis Fridhanler


Here is the box people find themselves in when they can't bring themselves to admit that life begins when it begins.

If it doesn't begin at the beginning when a zygote is formed with a full set of human chromosomes (be it 45, 46, or 47), and then starts its magnificent process of change, growth and development --- a process that, if nutured, could continue for 100 years --- then when does it begin?

From that first instant, that life is both "human" in that it is not a platypus duck or a parakeet, and it is being, in that it is growing and developing at a remarkable rate.

In fact, were in not "human" and "being" the embryonic stem-cell folks would have no use for it.


I am curious. It seems to me that if thousands of scientists say one thing but the religious right can find one scientist that agrees with them, there is a "controversy". That nothing can happen until the "controversy" is over. Either that or what all the other scientits say must be ignored because those in agreement with the religiopus right are the ones who are "correct".

Just a "seems like it to me". But makes me go "Hmmmmmmmmm."


bmmg3: Which textbooks would those be? Who are the authors? What group sponsored and/or published the books?

When claiming that "biology textbooks" support your postion, this is important info.


Renfro, whether you like it or not, scientific fact is on the side of those who see the human embryo as a human being. It is your side that makes silly, non-scientific arguments based upon an embryo's size or early stage of development (see any of CRD's posts for a quick example). But biology textbooks somehow seem to disagree with you rather staunchly.


It’s time for the Anti-Amendment 2 Theocrats to realize their protests are long overdue.
An embryo here and a sperm there! -- Like it or not for many years the religious right have accepted every mechanical means to produce what they perceive to be a human and they now worry it will result in a clone?
Whether another Albert Einstein or megalomaniac dictator is manufactured, Nguyen and the like minded should be more concerned who or what nation succeeds with the inevitable.

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