Bannister improvement

So, Richard Tolbert wants a “nice black mall” rather than “white-oriented soccer” (1/27, Letters). What is a nice black mall?

Can white people shop and work there? How about Hispanics, Asians or any other group?

Are there no malls in the area that are “nice” for blacks to shop in?

A mall is a mall, and I have seen no signs prohibiting entry by any group. Let’s keep it that way.

Loretta Childers
Olathe

I firmly believe, Mr. Tolbert, that this petition effort is about one of two things: notoriety for you, or it is a racial issue.

If it is notoriety, I will personally pay for a plaque with your name on it for the soccer stadium.

If it is race, than you need to sit back and take a hard look at yourself. The reason we still have racial problems is people like you who continue to use the “race card.”

This is about our community, which you do not live in. It is not about black and white.

Your efforts would be much more effective and less irritating on something that would actually help and not hurt our community.

Oh, and when did soccer become a white man’s sport? Maybe you should actually follow it. I am white and my daughter’s boyfriend, who is black, loves soccer.

Todd Kudron
Kansas City

Comments

[solomon]

NEAWG,

IWBB?....I could guess but will wait for your fleshing it out. (I bet it has dark skin).

I'm off to the Uptown, hope to meet you there.

[wellpaidscientist]

"The chances of encountering trouble in a poor and black neighborhood is higher than a economically more suitable suburb, FACT!"

I'm sure this is true for NoMore, especially when he wears his good Sunday white robe.

[wellpaidscientist]

Sol is right about Bannister Mall, it was a traffic nightmare. Also, the mall mgmt over-reacted to crime, and installed guard post shacks all throuhgout the parking lot. That gave the impression that the mall was more unsafe than it really was, and businesses starting leaving. I worked at Sears wfor 4 years when I was in college, and it wasn't that bad.

[solomon]

I have never worked for a credit agency, but have in my profession pulled and reviewed credit on many people. i have my own business at this time, I do commercial financing for projects around the world. I was only going off your comments in the past of being raped on interest rate and how your credit was affected by your marital consequences.

Hey, bad things happen to good people, I was not judging, just commenting.

[NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

Credit risk? I never said that.
My credit is good. I pay all my bills on time or before they are do. 12 new car loans, all paid perfect. 8 credit cards, perfect. Mortgage, never missed a beat.
The prblem with CRAs is that they are allowed to report erroneous information even when you send them certfied documents proving otherwise. FACT! I have a letter from Experian dated 06/07 that they are NOT required to obtain documentation from their CUSTOMER for verification, they simply use a fill in the blank form, no proof required.
What credit reporting agnecy did you say you worked for again?
As for the liquor store comment. I never said there weren;t liquor stores in "white' neighborhoods. Yo simply are wrong about the fact of why these neighborhoods fail.
I grew up in the North End, eastern WYCO, and a couple of other tough, poor neighborhods. nothing against the people just the thuggery that is instilled generation after generation. Oak Park still thrives, I wonder why. yes, they are having more crime and you know why? The IWBB syndrome. Same problme at Independence Center and 39th St area. What needs to happen is the police need to get redneck and parents need to stop being so damn liberal with their punka$$ kids.

[solomon]

NEAWg,

That must be why there are no liquor stores in poor white neighborhoods, also why communities with no blacks have no jail. Pawn shops have existed in most communities in America forever to loan to people with little other options. I imagine you've visited the triple ball yourself a time or two, since by your own admittance you are a credit risk.

I do have first hand knowledge that car thefts were higher at oak park than bannister, you brought up carjackings, which make up a small number of car thefts in general.

There is just such an urge to blame everything on color in your posts, when a more thoughtful individual would look beyond color and at the big picture.

You're kind of pitiful, and thats a shame for a grown man.

[NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

Funny Sol. The liquor stores, pawn shops, and rental stores seem to do just fine in the "bad" parts of town. I travel all over the country and it seems the common denominators exist.
Nice malls in nice suburban areas, thrive. Go the section 8 part of town and they fail but the liquor stores, nail slaons, quick shops, fast food and pawn shops all stay in business. I wonder why.

[NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

I lived in So.KC when it was nice, you can try and rub whatever way you want. Blacks move in, the area goes to crap. That is a fact. Same goes for white trash.
Go ahead and endorse welfare freaks, go on.
You can feel sorry for them all you want, I know different. I used to bust their chopos for trying to break $1 foodstamps at the counter to get money for a pack of cigs, philly blunt and some OE.
They used to get so mad, but I would break a $1 foodstamp per day unless they were buying food items. A Jolly Rancher is not food! So how do you know how many car jacking their were at Oak Park versus Bannister mall? How? Are you privy to information the rest of us aren't?
The chances of encountering truoble in a poor and balck neigborhood is higher than a economically more suitable suburb, FACT!

[solomon]

NEAWG,

If you read my comments to Tolberts 1/27 letter you'll see I rebuked his opinion.

As far as the demise of the Bannister Mall, I oversaw large stores at several area malls. Whereas the perception was otherwise, there were more gang fights and car thefts at Oak Park than at Bannister. If it is the welfare recipients you think killed the mall, how much of a hypocrite are you going to be today? The fact that the neighborhood could not support the mall in some respects was true, but it makes that crap you're always accusing those recipients of spending "your" tax money so much more transparent. Studies I read and many I had input on showed that the major flaw of the Bannister Mall was its location. It looked impressive on that hill but it was a pain to get to and not convenient if you were passing by on 435 .It never had a neighborhood appeal like Oak Park or Metro North. It was too much retail in a location that could not support it. How many places selling nice TVs can you have in an area like that. The major stores could not make the needed profit and one by one closed their doors.

As usual your opinion is clouded by your BS. But I consider the source, you are the one who has written here that if you were to go into a business on the east side you'd be accosted and called whitey or cracka.

[CRD]

Isn't Pele white?

[NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

Of course it's about race, it went from equal opportunity and civil rights to special rights. Solly will come on here and refute what the facts are but he is incorrect. What the black leaders and many in the black community and other "minority" communities want are SPECIAL rights not equal rights. Arbitrary employment due to quota and affirmative discrimination.
2 malls that were nice malls until the black community and welfare freaks moved in the area, Bannister and Indian Springs.