« Morrison’s phone calls | Main | Giuliani the choice »

January 02, 2008

God and evolution

John Mulder (12/27, Letters) says that he’s “a well-educated scientist and retired university professor” and gives “zero credence to the theory of evolution.”
“Further,” he writes, “creation doesn’t need a fabricated theory to explain its truth. Never has evolution been able to refute a single creative act by our Almighty God.”
By what scientific method can Mr. Mulder demonstrate the presence of God?
As for fabricated theories, what is God but a fabricated theory? Isn’t that how faith would be described to someone unfamiliar with its tenets?
As for evolution refuting actions by “our Amighty God,” I would turn it around and ask him to show me how God refutes evolution.
Mr. Mulder wants me to believe in the existence of a being, present since before the beginning of time, that created everything around us, that floats around in the heavens, that knows everything that goes on with all of the peoples of the earth. He is, I’m sure, able to offer no proof of this.
To borrow an observation from George Carlin, “If you can convince people of that, you can convince them of anything.”
Lane Sekavec
De Soto

Comments

Lance

Typical creationist. Wants a quick answer to an explanation that would take many moons to cover.

Dan Beyer

I'm asking a simple question dude. Show me or anybody for that matter even one bit of proof that macro, not micro evolution has been discovered. Darwin saw micro evolution and jumped to the conclusion that macro evolution must then exist. Thus the anti-God, pro-racist, one size fits all sci-religion was conceived. The hate-spreading true believers of this constantly propped up junk science have blindly followed ever since. Science has indeed evolved dude. That's why more and more scientists and teachers are rejecting this ignorant crap in light of modern discoveries. That's why you're hearing more and more about this controversy dude.

ksskidude

Dan,

It's not CRD who is acting like a child, it's you!!!!!

Dan has explained why macro-evolution is indeed happening, but you don't want to listen.
You sound like the little kid that repeats over and over again, "I know you are, but what am I?" "I know you are, but what am I?"

Reading Darwin today, is like reading Kepler's astronomy notes from 600 yrs ago. Both subjects, astronomy and evolution have evolved since their time. We know so much more now than Darwin. Just because evolution still has holes in it, doesn't mean it's not the very best explantion we have at this current time.

To say god did it, is a lazy, arrogant, cope-out answer, and it breeds stupidity.


Dan Beyer

CRD, I know you can understand the english language so why can't you understand such a simple question? Where is there any proof of macro-evolution? Do you even understand what Darwin was trying to say? Have you read anything Darwin wrote? Do you know that Darwin believed women, africans, and asians were less evolved? Other than acting like a child, do you know anything about this subject?

CRD

Lord, you can't argue with idiocy -- but you sure can enjoy yourself by poking the idiots with a stick!

Thanks for the entertainment, Dan! lol!

Dan Beyer

CRD, can you point to any example in the fossil record that shows proof of macro-evolution.

CRD

Well, you ain't gonna find it with your head up your butt like that, Dan! ;-)

Dan Beyer

Where is the fossil evidence of macro-evolution?

ksskidude

Dan,

Pay attention!!! CRD is trying to explain to you how it works.

You are never going to an animal change species because the changes are so minute and incremental, and occur over millions of years. Does this make sense to you? Do you understand what incremental means?

It can't be witnessed. So what that should mean then is, yes macro-evolution does indeed exist, it's just an impossibility to ever witness. But can be explained over eon's of time.

CRD thanks for keeping up the fight. Some people never open their eyes.

CRD

Ah, literacy clearly isn't your strong point.

you ask:

"Where is the proof of macro-evolution in this world?"

I refer you to my post of 12:27 below, where I responded to your misguided query:

You don't really have a good handle on how this whole scientific theory thing works, do you? You don't "prove" theories -- you disprove them. Those that are disproven are failed theories. Those that stand the test of time in helping us explain and predict observed and observable phenomena in our world remain operable theories.

Evolution remains a pretty good theoretical explanation of how life as we know it came about on this planet over a period of millions of years. If you choose not to buy into it, then you don't have to, I reckon, but I'm going to still consider you to be a bit of an idiot, and will derive considerable amusement from you. :-)

More amusing idiocy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/arts/24crea.html

Dan Beyer

I wasn't sure how that's supposed to answer the question. Using your great depth of knowledge, explain as you would to school children where macro-evolution has been verified. Please CRD, only this time no big technical terms!

CRD

Wow. You ARE really an idiot, aren't you? :-D Keep up the entertainment, Clyde. [chuckle]

I'll think of you whenever I read Alley Oop.

Dan Beyer

If this theory is so simple that it can be taught to children in school why can't you answer this question? Where is the proof of macro-evolution in this world?

CRD

Show us the proof that sun is the center of the universe like Copernicus theorized, in your own words.

You seem to think you've scored some sort of point with your inane reiteration of your question, but all it leads us to think is, jeez, you really don't understand science, do you?

Read a book or three and get back to us.

Dan Beyer

Thanks CRD. Let me simplify my question for you since it seems to be too hard for you to understand. Darwin observing micro-evolution, using science of 1859 went out on a limb and declared that macro-evolution must then exist. He said that if the fossil evidence didn't back him up and it hasn't, then his supposition was dead. In your own words no websites please, show us the proof that there has ever been an instance that one species turned into another.

CRD

Um, dude, Darwin did help introduce a new idea into the theory of how speciation came about (just as Copernicus challenged the church's geocentric teachings with his heliocentric explanation of observed phenomena), but modern theory of evolution, though based in some of Darwin's insights, has itself evolved (as theories do in science) with the whole body of empirical observation made since then.

You don't really have a good handle on how this whole scientific theory thing works, do you? You don't "prove" theories -- you disprove them. Those that are disproven are failed theories. Those that stand the test of time in helping us explain and predict observed and observable phenomena in our world remain operable theories.

Evolution remains a pretty good theoretical explanation of how life as we know it came about on this planet over a period of millions of years. If you choose not to buy into it, then you don't have to, I reckon, but I'm going to still consider you to be a bit of an idiot, and will derive considerable amusement from you. :-)

More amusing idiocy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/arts/24crea.html

Keep it coming, boys! lol!

Looks like your fellow evolution naysayer has just won the Iowa caucuses! Whoo-hoo! More fodder for mockery!

Dan Beyer

Ah, CRD! Glad you could join us! The question was, can you explain in your own words what proof there is that supports Darwin's "theory he made in 1859 that species macr-evolve into other species? No websites please, in your own words.

CRD

"Science makes the leap of faith to say they are, but there is no definitive proof. "

Hence the term "evolutionary THEORY." (pay attention to the capitalization)

Amusing, you lot.

CRD

I agree, your anti-evolution posts are indeed dumb, but I'm not sure how you can blame it on the Star.

Dan Beyer

Are you satisfied KC Star? Your plan of dumbing down Kansas Citians is working brilliantly as I see with great horror.

 
About KansasCity.com | About the Real Cities Network | Terms of Use & Privacy Statement | About Knight Ridder | Copyright