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January 16, 2008

Stem-cell research

Robert Lanza works for ACT, a biotech corporation in Massachusetts (1/11, A-2, “Stem-cell advance; Scientists say a new technique creates the cells without harming embryos”).  He is “fuming” because the Dickey amendment prevents him from using your tax dollars to fund his for-profit research.

He claims that no embryos were harmed using his stem cell technique, but Story Landis from NIH is correct that it is “impossible to know definitively.”

Fertility doctors used to perform this technique often, but now the American Society of Reproductive Medicine has recommended against its use during in-vitro fertilization due to decreased pregnancy rates and possible harm to the future child.

In Lanza’s own data, he shows that 17 percent of the human embryos stopped developing after he biopsied them, and ironically 100 percent will be sacrificed once he’s done with them.

Meanwhile adult, umbilical cord and iPS (the type announced in June) stem cells continue to churn out real life-saving cures without sacrificing embryos.

Dana M. Winegarner, D.O.
Neurologist, MidAmerica Neuroscience Institute
Board member, Cures Without Cloning
Leawood

Comments

bmmg39

"Okay so I looked up Dennis Turner, and think that what he had done with Adult stem cells is great work. But as the article mentioned his symptoms slowly returned."

I never claimed that they hadn't. But his adult stem cell treatment allowed him to pursue his hobby of photo safari, even allowing him to climb a tree after he got a little too close to a rhinoceros. Mind you, this is a man who wasn't able to hold a camera steady when his Parkinson's was in full throng, but the adult stem cells (his own, BTW) that he was treated with gave him a reversal of more than 80% of his Parkinson's symptoms for several years.

Sure, his symptoms began to return, over time, and that's why he was speaking to Congress, to tell them that he was EAGER TO RECEIVE a second treatment. That's because the first one provided great benefit for him.

But you, an avid cheerleader for ESCR, seemingly had never even heard of Turner, because, as marvelous as his case is, the media haven't considered his story newsworthy. And forget Michael J. Fox even mentioning the case, because, naturally, it doesn't involve the embryonic stem cells he swears in TV ads are the best hope.

Americans haven't been told the truth on stem cell research, and this is reflected both in polls and message boards/blogs throughout the country. They've actually been conned into believing that embryonic cells are the new panacea and adult stem cells are pretty much worthless, when if anything it's the reverse that's true.

bmmg39

"Its not me who is the lapdog for a certain type of research. I am in favor of all kinds of stem cell research where as you are not."

Right. I am in favor of the type of research that is helping thousands of people and doesn't require the killing of human beings; you add to that the type of research that DOES require the killing of human beings and as yet has not helped even one human being. Just so we're clear.

"SCNT does not create a human being, at best it creates a potential human being. But no person can be born in a petri dish."

Of course no person can be born in a petri dish, but birth is not the beginning of a human life. Fertilization (or cloning) is -- that creation of a new human being in the embryonic phase -- according to a wealth of medical and biology textbooks.

"Why is it Bmmg that you can't understand that most doctors and scientist's disagree with you? I disgaree with you, many Missouirans disagree with you."

I have plenty of doctors and scientists on my side, Dude, whether you care to acknowledge that or not. As for Missourians, support for Amendment 2 dropped dramatically in the last six weeks before it was voted upon, once voters were properly informed that it allows, not prohibits, cloning. One more week, and it likely wouldn't have passed. And now you and your allies act as though it passed with flying colors.

"You can continue to lie to people on these boards about what Adult stem cells have done. But people are not as stupid as you would like to have them remain."

You'll need to point out even one place where I've said something untrue about adult stem cells. I've provided actual LINKS to cases and studies in which they're helping actual human patients.

"Let me just say one last thing to you, I am not concerned about when life begins..."

No, you're not, apparently, blissfully choosing to ignore -- as ESCR scientists do -- all we know about reproductive biology because scientific facts are inconvenient to your cause.

"The clock is ticking on millions of sick people's lives and people like you are slowing down progress."

No, that again would be you. I can only imagine what more adult stem cells would be doing if they had one tenth of the hype and media/celebrity support that embryonic stem cells have received.

ksskidude

Okay so I looked up Dennis Turner, and think that what he had done with Adult stem cells is great work. But as the article mentioned his symptoms slowly returned. While good progress, not nearly enough.

Bmmg you sound like a afirly intelligent person and well informed for the most part. But sir you are going to have to come to grips with that the majority of scientist and people of this nationa nd this world want cures and are in favor of both all forms of stem cell research.

ksskidude

Bmmg

Its not me who is the lapdog for a certain type of research. I am in favor of all kinds of stem cell research where as you are not.
SCNT does not create a human being, at best it creates a potential human being. But no person can be born in a petri dish.

Why is it Bmmg that you can't understand that most doctors and scientist's disagree with you? I disgaree with you, many Missouirans disagree with you. All your advocating is delaying research, because it's never going to stop.
I just hope that none of your family gets sick or injured one day in the future and the ESC cure is available.

You can continue to lie to people on these boards about what Adult stem cells have done. But people are not as stupid as you would like to have them remain.

Let me just say one last thing to you, I am not concerned about when life begins, I am concerned about when life ends. The clock is ticking on millions of sick people's lives and people like you are slowing down progress.

bmmg39

"It astounds me that people pretend to actually care about an embryo, when there are millions of human beings that are actually alive and suffering horrible agonies because of disease and or injuries."

People actually care (not "pretend to") care about embryonic human beings, and at the same time care about born human beings who have been victimized by disease and/or injuries. You're creating a false dichotomy, Dude. Human embryos ARE alive and are complete human beings. They're not fully developed, no, but then neither will you or I be until we are dead. Death ends development, not birth.

"Adult stem cells have done nothing to cure diabeties, Parkinson's, spinal cord injuries, heart disease, sickle cell, ALS, etc..."

Just to name a few:
1. Put the names "Dennis Turner" and "Andrew Kisana" into a search engine and see what you find, because both have seen great benefit against their Parkinson's, after treatments with adult stem cells.
2. Dr. Carlos Lima, for one, has been successfully treating people with spinal-cord injuries, with the use of adult stem cells.
3. Human trials with ASCs in Brazil to help patients with juvenile diabetes. This treatment, like the others, isn't available everywhere yet, HENCE THE TERM "human trials."

"In fact Adult Stem Cells are actually killing people.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/stemcells/commentary/spinalcolumn/2007/04/spinalcolumn_0411"

That's about the stupidest thing I've ever seen, and I saw ADVENTURES IN BABYSITTING in the theater. So if someone with a disease isn't helped with a stem-cell treatment, that means the adult stem cells KILLED the person? Is this what your rhetoric has come to, Dude?

"It's time for people to understand that embryonic stem cells can be aquired without a fertilized egg. It's a process called SCNT, or somatic cell nuclear transfer.
It is the cloning of a patients own embryonic stem cells. Just like you can clone new skin cells for a burn victim, you can now clone new ESC."

The product of SCNT is a human embryo, not bare, disconnected cells, as you are intimating. A skin cell is combined with an oocyte and the result (if it works) is a new human embryo.

"This research is not going to stop anytime soon, and we as Missourians should understand that we have the best facility in the world right here in KC, The Stowers Institute."

I know you're a lapdog for William Neaves, but others reading this thread should understand that The Stowers Institute is responsible for the same deception you're employing here, such as the disparagement of adult stem cells and the blatant lie that SCNT isn't cloning.

ksskidude

It astounds me that people pretend to actually care about an embryo, when there are millions of human beings that are actually alive and suffering horrible agonies because of disease and or injuries.

Adult stem cells have done nothing to cure diabeties, Parkinson's, spinal cord injuries, heart disease, sickle cell, ALS, etc...
In fact Adult Stem Cells are actually killing people.
http://www.wired.com/medtech/stemcells/commentary/spinalcolumn/2007/04/spinalcolumn_0411

It's time for people to understand that embryonic stem cells can be aquired without a fertilized egg. It's a process called SCNT, or somatic cell nuclear transfer.
It is the cloning of a patients own embryonic stem cells. Just like you can clone new skin cells for a burn victim, you can now clone new ESC.

This research is not going to stop anytime soon, and we as Missourians should understand that we have the best facility in the world right here in KC, The Stowers Institute.

 
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