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May 15, 2008

Photo IDs for voting

After reading Laura Scott’s commentary (5/12, Opinion) about the Voter ID bill and the non-driving nuns who didn’t have driver’s licenses, I couldn’t help but ask: Why are some people so scared to prove who they are before they vote?

Surely Republicans aren’t the only people concerned about voter fraud, are they? Don’t Democrats want an honest and fair election as well? A Missouri non-driver license (ID card) is $11.

Missouri provides millions of dollars in financial aid to underprivileged residents every year. The majority of these underprivileged people already have ID cards so they can receive benefits. Is it too much to ask the others to spend $11 to ensure that the constitutional voting process Ms. Scott mentions is not made a mockery of?

Steven Christensen
Blue Springs

I sympathize with those who are unable to obtain photo IDs. In the ’60s, when my father was ready to apply for Social Security, he obtained affidavits from older people who knew of his birth. Several years ago, when we first heard of photo IDs, I took my mother to the license bureau to get one.

While I realize I am fortunate to have a car to take my mother to the license bureau, isn’t this an opportunity for volunteers to step up and assist?

In the big picture, isn’t one instance of election fraud too many?

Theresa Cotter
Belton

Comments

Kate

If the State will supply the ID free of charge, and will cover the cost of obtaining documentation in order to get the free ID, how can this be considered disenfranchising?

stillwaters

"Voter fraud is nonexistent in this country."


That seems difficult to believe, even for a lib. ZERO voter fraud, with more than 100,000,000 votes cast?

Pull my other leg and it plays Jingle Bells.

Posted by: Chris40 | May 16, 2008 1:56:57 PM
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From here: projectvote.org
http://projectvote.org/newsroom/project-vote-news/press-release.html?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=112&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=75&cHash=e1aa8f310b

"Widespread “voter fraud” is a myth promulgated to suppress voter participation, according to a new Project Vote report released this week. “The Politics of Voter Fraud” finds that fraudulent voting, or the intentional corruption of the voting process by voters, is extremely rare."

"Analysis of federal government records concludes that only 24 people were convicted of or pleaded guilty to illegal voting between 2002 and 2005, an average of eight people a year."

No, not zero, but 24 out of 100 million is EXTREMELY low, next to nonexistent.

This is where the true crime lies:

"A survey by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law found that 11 percent of Americans, more than 21 millions citizens, did not have a current government-issued photo ID. Low-income, minority and elderly Americans disproportionately lack current government-issued photo ID."

Disenfranchising 21 million to protect us from the 24 frauds is what neo-conservatism is all about.

The Truth About Fraud: http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/index.html

Engineer

Illegal aliens have been know to vote. Some years ago in a California US House election, a court found that some 500 non-citizens had voted. The election was allowed to stand because the margin was greater than 500 but the court said that it appeared that more illegal votes than those uncovered had been cast. Non-eligible voters do vote. The I.D. would take care of that problem.

cooker_fox

CRD welcome back! And Jim keep up the good work. I can rarely post due to work i-net restrictions, but I do read. You are very out numbered here in red land, but your fight is appreciated!

I know it is a pointless battle, but your effort is appreciated by us that cannot post much!

Enough with that.... Acorn workers were caught and rightly punished for defrauding the system. They were paid workers trying to bilk the system. But if they registered the same person 20 times do you really think that person voted 20 times? I mean come on I am a dedicated voter and strong dem, but even I would not go to the trouble of driving around 20 different polling places to vote. It makes common sense that the workers probably found a valid person and resgistered them and then to make their numbers look good used the same names several times reusing addresses. So in reality the person who registered was fine and would not have even know to vote multiple times.

Sol... keep up the good work on playing the "constructive reasoning" person on here. I know you and I may not agree on everything, but your refusing to not "call out" disinginuous remarks is well done!

CRD

Man, Chrissy must be a crappy attorney, because she can't even tell the difference between registration fraud committed by a hired worker seeking to defraud ACORN out of his wages, and actual voter fraud.

Conflation of the two only makes you look stupid, Chris40.

Chris40

Geez. Here's more ACORN voter fraud statistics. I wonder if there is any group in America doing more to destroy fair and honest elections more than ACORN.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189

T. Hanson

On a lighter side of this argument most of the people that would enforce this ID card policy have a hard enough time reading the small print on the printouts you sign. I doubt they will be checking the state hologram insignia.

Chris40

Rule #1: Always fact check CRuD. ACORN has multiple convictions of voter fraud.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189

So, less than a week before the midterm elections, four workers from Acorn, the liberal activist group that has registered millions of voters, have been indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms to the Kansas City, Missouri, election board. But hey, who needs voter ID laws?

We wish this were an aberration, but allegations of fraud have tainted Acorn voter drives across the country. Acorn workers have been convicted in Wisconsin and Colorado, and investigations are still under way in Ohio, Tennessee and Pennsylvania.

CRD

"Recall those four ACORN members who pled guilty to registering 10,000 illegal voters in 2006? OH, I know, not a single one of those 10,000 voted, or would have voted illegally."

More idiocy.

The system worked. The KC Election Board caught the fake registrations, and alerted ACORN.

ACORN turned in four people, who were engaged in bilking the organization out of hourly pay by submitting multiple false registrations to make it look like they were doing their job rather than sitting on their asses.

We all know that Rogue lies, but jeez, come on, man.

Chris40

T. Hansen,

I'm not disagreeing with you on this issue. I would go even further and require that all voting machines have a paper trail.

I don't want anyone to win a single vote by cheating. And I don't trust anyone, let alone 100 million voters, to play fair.

chalveyob

To all the dishonest liberals who support voter fraud. There is a huge problem with voter fraud in Missouri, the reason you don't accept it is because it is done by liberal groups like ACORN, at least 3 people from this liberal group have been indicted for illeagally registering voters, but you claim there is no problem with voter fraud. You people need to check your facts before spouting the liberal talking points. You should seriously look in the mirror and wonder why the only way to advance your agenda is through lies and dishonesty.

Chris40

"Voter fraud is nonexistent in this country."


That seems difficult to believe, even for a lib. ZERO voter fraud, with more than 100,000,000 votes cast?

Pull my other leg and it plays Jingle Bells.

Rogue

Note to Lib Jim, no election fraud?

Recall those four ACORN members who pled guilty to registering 10,000 illegal voters in 2006? OH, I know, not a single one of those 10,000 voted, or would have voted illegally.

Ask Bob Bechtel about the Indianna Primary Voting in Gary, heck he was joking about it saying, they needed to see how the rest of the vote went before they gave their tallies!!

Remember the City of St. Louis when they appealed to a judge to keep the polls open longer, I think it was '98. For months after that there was story after story about "tombstone votes".

Hint to Lib Jim. These aren't Republican cities or jurisdictions.......

T. Hanson

Kate and Chris,
It was I that brought up the poll tax issue to address this line in the letters:

"Is it too much to ask the others to spend $11 to ensure that the constitutional voting process Ms. Scott mentions is not made a mockery of?"

As soon as Missouri gives State ID's that are acceptable at voteing booths then there is no issue. Till then they should not make it a requirement.

stillwaters

The mythological voter fraud that the Republicans are fighting against with unconstitutional laws that disenfranchise voters is a smoke screen to cover up the election fraud that the Republican party has been engaging in since at least 2000.

Voter fraud is nonexistent in this country. Election fraud is the bigger problem. Paper ballots anyone?

kcstar_is_one_sided

"Nice try, neandercons. There's no evidence of a widespread voter fraud problem in this country. This is about disenfranchising voters, plain and simple."

You also disenfranchise voters when you allow illegals to vote as the true votes get diluted. I can't for the life of me understand why a system can't be put in place to ensure that only legals get to vote, and why the dems are against it.

Chris40

"If the State will supply the ID free of charge, and will cover the cost of obtaining documentation in order to get the free ID, how can this be considered a poll tax?"

That's an easy one. The dishonesty of the person making the "poll tax" claim. This is CRuD we are talking about here.

Kate

I don't understand what the problem is.

From the AP: “The state court ruling said the costs of obtaining the documents to prove identification and get those IDs amounted to an illegal poll tax. Sponsoring Sen. Delbert Scott said this year's proposal would allow the state to cover such costs for those who don't have the IDs.” http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jGTDZJ108l7goXoCqrR32RvTvLJwD90KFJUG0

The text of the bill says: “The state shall provide at least one form of the identification required to vote at no cost to any otherwise qualified citizen who does not already possess such identification and who desires the identification in order to vote.” http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills081/biltxt/perf/HJR0048P.HTM

If the State will supply the ID free of charge, and will cover the cost of obtaining documentation in order to get the free ID, how can this be considered a poll tax?

T. Hanson

Be civil...

I am glad MO is going to try to cut down on voter fraud, but I have not seen any real numbers that claim that a person was voted in or an issue was passed due to voter fraud.

Now the problem I have heard is that sometimes a person will vote twice. Say that you lived in Parkville, and moved to Overland Park. If you registared to vote in OP then you might be on the books in both cities, and both states. If you did vote in both places then yes, that is voter fraud and I feel you should be punished, but in that case a photo ID would have not stoped this.

There are quite a few problems with voting, but over all I think we have it pretty easy.

On that note, Paper trails need to be implamented, and if that means we have to deal with "hanging chads" or other problems with paper ballots I feel that is something mankind can handle.

 
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