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August 31, 2008

Jail guilty priests

With the papers and news full of people being sent to prison for as long as life for abuse and rape, why are the priests above the law?

To me they are as much or more accountable. Is a mere apology by the Catholic Diocese sufficient? Let them do time.

Mae Miller
Kansas City

Comments

Dan Beyer

So when does human life begin? From a Biblical perspective, we know that children inside the womb are called children both inside and outside the womb. The Bible says of Rachel’s pregnancy, “The babies jostled each other within her,” (Genesis 25:22 NIV). The Hebrew used for babies is banim. In this instance, “the Hebrew word used, banim, is the usual word for sons after birth.”3 Furthermore, Luke writes this of Elizabeth’s baby, the future John the Baptist: “When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb” (Luke 1:41 NIV) and Elizabeth afterwards said, “As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.” (Luke 1:44 NIV) The Greek word for baby here is brephos. This word according to Vines Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words denotes:

(a)“an unborn child”, as in Luke 1:41, 44; (b)”a new born child, or an infant still older, “Luke 2:12, 16; 18:15; Acts 7:19; 2 Tim. 3:15; 1 Pet. 2:2.4

In both of the instances where a baby is mentioned in the womb, it is mentioned as a baby rather than a glob of fetal tissue in the salamander stage. David in the Psalms speaks of God’s hand in our development beginning at conception:

For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be. (Psalm 139:13-16 NIV)

God is clearly involved and aware of our development even before the moment of our conception. The Bible inherently confirms that an unborn child is a living human being.

Science also supports that life begins at conception. The law of biogenesis states that life can only come from life and that every living thing reproduces after it’s own kind. A principle that we gain from this biological law is that humans can only produce human offspring. They cannot give life to pigs, fish, salamanders, monkeys, or even turtles.

Pub 17

No, ChotoCK, there's no constitutional right to an abortion. There's also no mandate in the Constitution for the government to invade a woman's body and declare her uterus out of her control and under government orders.

The Sola Scriptura reference goes whizzing right past. Sorry. And having been there, I know that Catholicism is guided by both scripture, tradition, and ex cathedra utterance of the Pope.

HOWEVER. Three days ago I asked in all candor if anybody had Biblical cites for when life begins; I had read that one explicit reference places it at the quickening, and several cites indirectly place it at conception. I was sure that they existed, but to date the only one I've gotten is Jeremiah 1:4 (or :5, I'm too tired to look it up).

Last call: anybody?

ChotoCK

Funny Pub, I thought we discussed the Catholic/Eastern Orthodox view on Sola Scriptura? Perhaps you forgot?

Let me ask you this, where in the Constitution of the United States of America does it state "A woman has a right to an abortion"?

Here is an interesting list for you to peruse on the issue from a Catholic standpoint, http://catholidoxy.blogspot.com/2008/08/pelosi-on-mtp-catholic-tradition-vague.html

As to the original letter writer's issue, if the appropriate prosecutors office feels there is cause to open a case, by all means he should. One should remember though, "guilty" in a civil court does not mean guilty in a criminal court.

Pub 17

Nobody's playing because they don't exist. You heartless, gutless morons don't care about abortions, you just want to shriek imprecations at your moral superiors. Try doing what Dan Beyer does: post using what may be your real name, so you can get even more attention. Or, load your pants and jump up and down.

kcstar_is_one_sided

I'm still waiting on the quote. I guess I'll be waiting a long time. As far as your bible quote, nobody is playing. It is probably because they know bringing up anything to someone with so little integrity as you is a waste of time. Keep waiting.

Pub 17

Dan Beyer, your caring, compassionate right-to-life compatriot has just checked in. Hi, mouth boy, got those verses yet? Still making it up as you go along? I'M still lying as strong as ever: as we both know, the best and the brightest get their news from the 700 Club and Joe Farha, and my lies about reading Reuters and the London Times shame my family.

Oh-I'm a little girl.

kcstar_is_one_sided

PUB 17 is a liar and when caught and knows he can't prove what he claims, he takes to insult. You are a loser little boy, and everything you write or claim on this blog should be taken with a grain of salt. Go somewhere else to troll, loser.

Pub 17

You fool. Educated adults don't read the Star for anything but weekend events and movie times. Educated adults are wallowing in the glory of an age where they have instant access to the Times of London, Reuters, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal immediately and for little or no cost. You can tap into the entire statistical resources of the United States of America. You can read and search the Bible in three dozen translation. You have an opportunity like no one before you in history to educate yourself to a degree unimaginable to past generations. Yet you choose to wallow in the spew of haters, liars, and conmen.

Enjoy your life.

Dan Beyer

Well there you go Pub 17! You proven what? You only believe what the Star tells you? There you go!
An argument with a fool is never won!

Dan Beyer

Well Pub 17, YOU'RE on record for saying some really absurd things!
While your googling, why don't you do some research on Planned Parenthood Inc.'s many criminal activities across the country?

Pub 17

You really need to get out of the house more. From their website:

"Physiciansforlife.org exists to draw attention to the issues of abortion, euthanasia, stem cell research, cloning, infanticide, teen pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, out-of-wedlock sexual activity and the medical merits of risk elimination through sexual abstinence. Our sponsoring organization, Alabama Physicians For Life, Inc. (APFLI), was founded in 1986 and has produced a series of brochures, booklets, and digests which are distributed throughout the USA, and internationally."

No comment on their site about their plan to use Bristol Palin as poster child for abstinence education.

whispering_to_kc

World News Daily = World Nut Daily.

Pub 17

My mikvah for the day: you have to save your comment, close out of kansascity.com, come back and paste it in the dialog box.

Dan Beyer

From Physicians for Life:
* An unidentified Ohio teen brought suit against Planned Parenthood of Southwest Ohio alleging that employees had failed to notify authorities after she disclosed that she was a victim of incest when she sought an abortion in November of 2004. Because no police report was filed, the suit said the sexual abuse by the teen’s father continued for another year and half. (Cincinnati Enquirer, May 10, 2007).

Pub 17

DAN BEYER BLOWS IT BIG TIME!!!

His latest cut-'n'-paste is from World News Daily, the brainchild of one Joe Farah, who's on record as saying it's cool to murder adulterers (don't believe me, google it).

YOU BLEW IT, DAN! Now you've let me in on just which loony-right hate factory has been feeding you your sneering points. Beautiful. (Incidentally, if anybody wants to check this out, be aware that it's one of those sites that won't let you back-button out, much like one of kc_star_is_one-sided's Brazilian porn sites.)

I now go there to wait breathlessly to see what Smilin' Joe has to say about Sarah Palin's upcoming grandmotherhood.

This has been a beautiful, beautiful weekend.

Dan Beyer

WND MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Planned Parenthood rape stats questioned
Activists say dozens of 'cases' missing
Posted: July 26, 2007
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

A pro-life organization in Waco, Texas, is calling for an explanation of a huge discrepancy between statistics regarding statutory rape cases Planned Parenthood says it has reported, and the number of those cases documented by law enforcement or other authorities.

Officials with Prolife Waco say from all official sources, they were able to collect fewer than 10 reports of suspected statutory rape each year. The actual average compiled was 7.3 reports annually. Planned Parenthood, however, has made public statements that it is reporting such cases at the rate of 98 per year.

"Pro-Life Waco finds reports to the Waco [police department] and the [Texas Department of Family and Protective Services] of just 7.3 per year using very generous assumptions. WHERE ARE THE OTHER 91 REPORTS PER YEAR?" the organization asked.

A pro-life organization in Waco, Texas, is calling for an explanation of a huge discrepancy between statistics regarding statutory rape cases Planned Parenthood says it has reported, and the number of those cases documented by law enforcement or other authorities.

Officials with Prolife Waco say from all official sources, they were able to collect fewer than 10 reports of suspected statutory rape each year. The actual average compiled was 7.3 reports annually. Planned Parenthood, however, has made public statements that it is reporting such cases at the rate of 98 per year.

"Pro-Life Waco finds reports to the Waco [police department] and the [Texas Department of Family and Protective Services] of just 7.3 per year using very generous assumptions. WHERE ARE THE OTHER 91 REPORTS PER YEAR?" the organization asked.

(Story continues below)

Multiple messages requesting an explanation left by WND at Waco's Planned Parenthood office with answering services for the group's director, assistant, and education leader were not returned.

John Pisciotta, the co-director for Pro-Life Waco, said, "The differential is huge and the legal issue is even bigger. This is not just about make-believe conversations with Planned Parenthood counselors revealing an obvious intent to avoid the law for mandatory reporting of statutory rape."

The issue being raised in Waco has been addressed in other pro-life campaigns, as well as prosecutors. In Kansas, former Attorney General Phill Kline questioned how dozens of underage girls could be provided abortions in that state within a year, without a single case of statutory rape.

Pro-Life Waco, whose website quotes Mother Teresa's statement from 1997: "If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?" said the missing cases are "where the bodies and souls of real children have been wounded by Planned Parenthood failure to report statutory rape of its child-clients."

Pro-life activists noted in Ohio in 2005, a lawsuit against a Planned Parenthood there alleged a 14-year-old was impregnated by her soccer coach who took her in for an abortion. But they said a required report to law enforcement never was filed.

A second Ohio case, Waco activists said, involved a young girl raped over a period of five years starting at age 13 by her father. She also was given an abortion and told a Planned Parenthood worker she had been raped by her father, but no law enforcement agency was told.

Pro-Life Waco said it obtained Planned Parenthood Waco's record of statutory rape reporting through an investigator who used Texas' open records law.

"For Planned Parenthood, the mandatory reporting of statutory rape would of course come into play when girls 16 and under seek abortions," Pro-Life Waco said. "But, this is by no means just an issue relating to abortion. Any indication of statutory rape as defined in Texas law would trigger a mandatory report to law enforcement. This would include an underage girl coming to Planned Parenthood for contraception or an underage girl coming into Planned Parenthood for a sexually transmitted disease."

Officials said they first sought the records from the Waco Police Department, and found only 20 reports had been made for the multiple-year period. And information from the state agency resulted in the addition of only about four reports per year, resulting in the average of 7.3.

However, the executive director of Planned Parenthood Waco was asked about the numbers for a story in the Waco Tribune Herald, and said there had been 147 reports in about 18 months.

Pisciotta noted the Texas law requires "a report to law enforcement when a health care facility encounters a sexually active female child 13 or younger. For girls 14,15, or 16, a report is mandated if the child's sex partner is three or more years older than the victim."

Pisciotta also noted in May UCLA sophomore Lila Rose visited two Los Angeles Planned Parenthood clinics and spun a story about being 15 and pregnant by her 23-year-old boyfriend.

"Both clinics encouraged her to lie about her age to circumvent a required statutory rape report under California law and to protect her boyfriend," he said.

And in 2002, Life Dynamics of Denton, Texas, did a nationwide investigation, making undercover calls to clinics presenting a similar scenario. In that assessment, 91 percent of the clinics contacted urged the girl to conceal or lie about her age.

The results of that study are at a Child Predators website.

Dan Beyer

FYI: I had to post multiple times quickly because my first one disappeared. For some reason if I take too long composing my comment it disappears when I go to post it.

Pub 17

Sorry, I forgot: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA....

 
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