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October 15, 2008

Abortion vs. death penalty

Stan Glazer (10/3, Letters) wrote about Sarah Palin’s pro-life stance. He says it’s a contradiction to believe in the birth of a child and support the death penalty.

I would like to point out an even more glaring contradiction. Pro-choice people (should be pro-abortion), for the most part, favor abortion but oppose the death penalty. With them I guess it is just a matter of timing.

I cannot comprehend the semblance of the abortion of a defenseless baby and the execution of a convicted murderer.

Leon Cook
Kansas City

Comments

GCYL

“I don't think I've ever met a woman so intent on disagreeing. Well at least this time you disagreed with numerous phds, scholars and philosophers.” – solomon

[Laughing]

Talk about having three of your own fingers pointing back at yourself. I guess that makes you three times the woman solomon.

A disbelief in religion is a personal choice too. Nothing wrong with that, but other than claiming to believe in something (Id, Ego, and Superego, i.e. yourself) that you make into a god is not universal or ultimately accepted either.

Show me who or what is in charge of your life and I can show you your god solomon. That’s not a belief system; it’s a fact of life.

solomon

I don't think I've ever met a woman so intent on disagreeing. Well at least this time you disagreed with numerous phds, scholars and philosophers.

Belief in religion is a personal choice but has no basis in fact. Nothing wrong with that, but other than claiming to believe in something (God) that you can't explain or prove its(his/hers) existence all you have is a faith that is not universal or ultimately accepted.

GCYL

“The concept, like the belief in an afterlife, comes from our conceit and inability to accept death as final.”

The concept, like the belief that there is no afterlife, comes from man's desperation to avoid the consequences of his actions.

Dan Beyer

I'm sorry, I made a mistake. The correct number of murdered babies is now up to 49 1/2 million and steadily counting.

solomon

Not trying to start an arguement but to roughly quote George Carlin on the sanctity of life...."we made the whole thing up".

The concept, like the belief in an afterlife, comes from our conceit and inability to accept death as final. This inability is much older than any religion, so I am not singling out Christians here.

GCYL

“It seems the question of abortion vs. the death penalty is solved by answering two simple questions:” – Marctnts

Disagee. The issue here is the consequences of a person’s actions. Those who tend to disagree with the death penalty will quote God’s instructions for our actions while those who tend to support the death penalty will quote God’s instructions for the consequences of actions taken.

The issue of our consequences is a separate matter all together. In my opinion our society honors the sanctity of life by our protracted legal process with death row. It’s people who wish for a quick and public execution that have lost all sight for the sanctity of life.

So what are we advocating in the abortion vs. death penalty? That the most heinous of crimes found on death row equal the inconvenience of an unwanted pregnancy? That the most heinous of crimes found on death row are NOT equal the inconvenience of an unwanted pregnancy? The vast difference between “actions” taken morally and logically justifies two different consequences to be supported?

solomon

"we have no clear and universal way to define when life begins"-Marctnts

...and we never will. Some people have religious beliefs (that can't be proved) and some people have opinion (that can't be proved).

Marctnts

Tina,

I may think that the murder of a 21 year old person is a tragedy, but if I support the right of someone else to kill that 21 year old person, then it seems reasonable for someone to label my position as "pro-murder". I'm sorry it seems harsh, but when you say you're "okay" with something, even if you preface your approval with the disclaimer that it's a shame when it happens, you still approve of it.

The argument has always (and still does) come down to how you define a life. If life begins at conception, or sometime after this point but before birth, then abortion is the terminating of a life, and according to the societal values we live by, wrong. No amount of "inconvenience" or "privacy" trumps the right for life to exist.

If you define life as beginning at birth, then abortion (except in the nasty cases of partial-birth procedures) doesn't carry the responsibility of the sanctity of life for you.

Unfortunately, at this point in time, we have no clear and universal way to define when life begins. We have contradictory laws (abortion vs. multiple murder charges for pregnant women) that further seek to muddy the waters.

Dan Beyer

No one is pro abortion?!
Too bad you can't tell that to the 48 million dead babies!!!

Rogue

"Punished with a baby"......I dunno, sounds pretty 'pro abortion' to me.

TinaMcG

""NO ONE is pro-abortion. NO ONE."

If you fight for the right to abortion, the in effect, yes, you ARE pro-abortion."

Gosh, I just hate to interject any nuance into your black and white view of things, but here goes.

Abortion is always a tragedy. No one in his or her right mind would be in favor of it. The question is CHOICE. I have always agreed with the Roe decision that was based on a woman's right to privacy on this issue. You disagree, and we can only respectfully disagree if you stop implying that my way of thinking is "pro-murder".

Gary

It would be easier for them to support the death penalty if they would just think of it as post-natal abortion, somewhere near the 70th trimester.

Rogue

The "sanctity of life" is not even thought about when some of these scum rape, murder, torture and kill". I have zero problem with putting them to death, let God forgive them.

Spend a few weeks setting on a jury in some of the murder trials we have had recently in this area such as the one that tried a guy who video taped a torture murder, and tell me you are against the death penalty.

We shoot mad dogs, and we should execute these mad dogs with the same speed.

Marctnts

"NO ONE is pro-abortion. NO ONE."

If you fight for the right to abortion, the in effect, yes, you ARE pro-abortion. I understand why those on that side of the issue would want to distance themselves from such a term, but semantics doesn't change the stance.

It seems the question of abortion vs. the death penalty is solved by answering two simple questions:

1. Is the sanctity of human life conditional upon what someone has done (or not done) during that life?

2. If you answer "Yes" to question #1, then who has the right to terminate life without sanctity, and what has given them that right.

I tend to argue that the sanctity of life IS NOT determined by someones actions. Even in the most heinous of crimes, when the convicted has shown a clear disregard for that sanctity in others, I don't think that destroys the sanctity of their own.

TinaMcG

"I would like to point out an even more glaring contradiction. Pro-choice people (should be pro-abortion"

NO ONE is pro-abortion. NO ONE.

 
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