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October 26, 2008

Exactly what is ‘socialism’

Here’s how to tell when Republicans are starting to get desperate: They start throwing out the dreaded “S” word. Yes, folks, it’s socialism. Andrew Palmer (10/19, Letters) says “to endorse Obama is to endorse socialism.” Really?

Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production is owned by the state or some form of cooperative. Using this definition, the following American institutions are socialist: police and fire departments, libraries, public schools, state government offices, departments of motor vehicles and prisons, not to mention Social Security and Medicare. I’m counting on those who dread socialism to return their Social Security checks to the U.S. Treasury when they retire.

I beg to differ with Palmer’s comment that “socialism has failed or is failing in every society that it exists in.” There are and have been very successful socialist democracies throughout Europe.

Jim Lullie
Holt, Mo.

Socialism? Taxes? Government control? Get your heads out of your wallet. The willingness to pay taxes is the basic part of our system that allows for the standard of living we enjoy.

Schools, roads, law enforcement and health care all depend on a mutually supported tax system and a vigorous central government. Sorry, Obama’s policies are not a socialist plot. Study the 19th-century era of the “robber barons,” when strong government action prevented the capture of a high percentage of the country’s assets. Or read about the necessary actions of the government during the Great Depression.

Strong action by the government ensured victory in WWII. The current Wall Street bailout — a “socialist” action — may have helped save your personal assets.

Take pride in living under a system that offers us the mutual support of one another and our vigorous central government.

I’m proud of 69 years of tax payments.

Marvin Litke
Overland Park

Many, including a number of letter writers, have decried Barack Obama’s statement to Joe the Plumber that it would be good to “spread the wealth around.”

For those who believe they are Christians, especially those who want to believe the United States is a “Christian” nation, here is a reminder of what Jesus said about “spreading the wealth” (Matthew 19:21 and Luke 18:22): “Now when Jesus heard this, he said to him. ‘You still need one thing. Sell everything you have. Distribute the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then follow me!.’” (God’s Word Translation, 1995). Is this immoral?

Take another look at Acts 2:45 and Acts 4:34: to each according to his need (paraphrased). Is it possible that Jesus and the apostles of the New Testament were — gasp! — socialists?

Kimbrough D. Warber
Kansas City, Kan.

I’m amazed, and amused, by the Obama-haters who constantly spout the evils of socialism. I don’t support socialism or Sen. Obama. However, these cries of outrage against government redistribution of wealth never include the Wall Street bailout and a regressive tax system.

Conservative Republicans should just admit the truth: They’re head-over-heels in love with redistribution of wealth, as long as the government redistributes the wealth upward, from the have-nots to have-way-more-than-enoughs.

Government shouldn’t redistribute wealth in either direction. Everyone should pull their own weight.

Mark Forster
Lee’s Summit

Comments

Engineer

solomon
You seemed to be questioning Rogue's statement that socialism failed in the Plymouth Colony. It did fail, lasting three years before being scrapped.

GCYL

“Name calling and hate. It’s what I do, because it's what I am.” - Posted by: solomon | Oct 28, 2008 9:43:53 AM

solomon

Engineer,

Nowhere did I praise or criticize the Pilgrims socialism, I made mention of it and then went into a discussion with Rogue as to why I don't read his dribble, just as I don't read left handed dribble.

solomon

"eehaw,eehaw"-jenny

Sammy

Engineer - Great post at 11:59:39 PM. Mr. Lullie missed some important points in his analysis of socialistic things.

Police and fire departments, libraries and public schools are generally funded and managed at a local level. We can choose to leave the locality if the quality of any of these are not up to snuff.

Many of the the examples of "socialism" that Lullie mentions also have private sector competitors that are available if the "socialist" version isn't doing its job well. Take away the private sector competitors and watch the quality of the public services erode.

Lullie - I'd be happy to give up Social Security if I were permitted to opt out of the system altogether, including a refund of the premiums I've already paid in.

Engineer

solomon
Google "Communal Arrangements In Plymouth Colony" and you will get a number of hits explaining that they didn't work. The same thing is true of Jamestown. Many historical accounts avoid dealing with this for whatever reason. People are people and there are freeloaders. More than I thought, apparently. As to Rush, like his brother, he is a competent writer. He very seldom makes errors on facts. Opinions differ, but Rush is usually very accurate when he deals with historical facts.

Engineer

ksskidude
There is a great deal of difference between what McCain says or has said on taxes and what Obama says or has said on the subject. McCain was wrong in his views on the Bush tax cuts as they actually increased the share of the tax burden carried by the upper levels of income. McCain is talking about taxes for the legitimate expenses of government; Obama is talking about using taxes to redistribute the wealth. He makes no bones about "sending out checks". Rogue's link reveals a chilling "distribute the wealth" attitude of thought and method of thinking on Obama's part. It also presents his willingness to "override" the Constitution.

GCYL

“In between my inability to remember what I’ve actually said while accusing others of things they’ve never said I always find time to slam back another six pack of SDNC.”- Posted by: solomon | Oct 27, 2008 4:40:41 PM

The distributers of Shout Down Name Calling want to remind consumers to never drink our product responsibly.

solomon

"eehaw,eehaw"-jenny

solomon

I'm headed to a wake.....Rosary, old italian ladies in black, cigars, (maybe even a glass of grappa)....

I want to remind all of you friends here that life has no limit, and to kiss or call your loved ones today.

GCYL

“First, it was "What you said was that you're pretty sure He'd agree with you.", now it is some other BS you pull out of your hat. Where's that quote anyway?” - kcstar_is_one_sided

An actual quote? From this very thread? Do you KNOW how much work that is?

[Laughing]

I have to agree with you that solomon really, really needs that reading and comprehension class you suggested.

solomon

kcstar,

My post in regards to your saying what you did not "doubt" Jesus Christ, the lamb of God who takes away the Sins of the World would agree with your political beliefs was.....

"You do mean whatever God a given population believes in, don't you?"

....and then you throw Satanism into the mix. Is that how you think? Your Christian belief or someone is a believer in Satan, whether he be named Buddha, Allah or Vishnu? That would make the majority of humans living today Satanists would it not?

kcstar_is_one_sided

KC STAR,

I was just having fun but if "I doubt that Christ would be for any government that didn't have a fundemental belief in God" was not you saying that you know what is in Christs intent then you need to take a course on understanding the words you use.

Personally, though you may disagree, I don't think Christ would judge non Christians. I know the various Christian sects and cults do.

Posted by: solomon | Oct 27, 2008 1:38:07 PM


Yeah I take that back, I'm sure Christ would only be for a government that doesn't believe in him, or perhaps a government that only practiced Satanism. Yeah, that's it.

First, it was "What you said was that you're pretty sure He'd agree with you.", now it is some other BS you pull out of your hat. Where's that quote anyway?

solomon

I thought wanting coffee servers beneath him was the line of the day.

Casady

"I'm just stating that you shouldn't have the right to steal money from me to make them over-educated coffee servers.":

First to equate accessing public funds available for education to "stealing money" is pretty harsh. I hope you don't send your kids to public schools or let them participate in school or county supported sports unless they plan to go pro. That would make you quite the hypocite.

Basically, you are saying that no one should use public funds to enrich themselves unless it's in a field that you deem appropriate. I can't even begin to mention how arrogant you sound when you make comments like that.

By the way, I know several people who majored in Art History. One of whom is head curator at the Nation Gallery of Art. What do you do?

solomon

Dearest Kate,

Rogue did use the word after I was reputed to have used it. You, me and Mrs solomon all agree that it is not a nice word. It would be good if when people saw it in print their first thought would be "Christian" rather than how 40oz viewed herself.

BTW, Rest assured Rogue used it in connection to a Democrat so it was ok. :-)

solomon

Marctnts, I happen to believe that there are people all over the world who benefit or underachieve because of who they were born to. There are brilliant criminals just like there are idiots who sit in corporate boards because their fathers and grandfathers did.

America, like life, does not give everyone the same chances. Education has always been an equalizer.

solomon

KC STAR,

I was just having fun but if "I doubt that Christ would be for any government that didn't have a fundemental belief in God" was not you saying that you know what is in Christs intent then you need to take a course on understanding the words you use.

Personally, though you may disagree, I don't think Christ would judge non Christians. I know the various Christian sects and cults do.

EKAN

"...but would you really want to live in world everyone is either an accountant or engineer...If that is the case, I feel really sorry for you."

Of course not Casady. As I mentioned earlier, I need someone to serve me coffee. I'm just stating that you shouldn't have the right to steal money from me to make them over-educated coffee servers.

kcstar_is_one_sided

What you said was that you're pretty sure He'd agree with you. Thats ok, we're just having fun on a Monday.

Posted by: solomon | Oct 27, 2008 12:52:50 PM


No I didn't, Please point out exactly where I said that, or take a reading comprehension course. I guess you better sign up for that course.

 
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