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October 19, 2008

Standing up for family values

The Star has done it again. This is my third election and the third time it endorsed my opponent. The first time The Star called me an unattractive candidate, and I had to prove that my wife of 43 years still thought me handsome. The second time it opined that my opponent would make a welcome change representing the 43rd District in Topeka but gave no particular reason.

This time The Star has gone too far, asserting that I seek to use my office to impinge on the privacy of people. My constituents and I want to know what you could possibly be talking about and why you would publish such a statement.

Let’s face reality: The Star’s left-wing editorial board cannot stand conservatives, especially those who are practicing Christians, favor family values and who oppose abortion on demand up to the last minute of gestation.

I am endorsed and supported by more than 50 organizations and agencies and thousands of dedicated voters. The endorsement I most cherish is from Kansans for Life.

As to The Star’s endorsement, you ought to notify my opponent that it is the kiss of death in the 43rd District.

S. Mike Kiegerl
Incumbent Representative 43rd District
Olathe

Comments

GCYL

“I am sorry but "Family Values" code word ranks up there with "Re-education camps" and "The Perfect Race".” - T. Hanson

The fact that you’re toying around with the 1st internet law of losing the discussion clearly puts you on the same coin as your hated Family Values. I get it. You can hate others with equal intensity. Good for you. My problem is no matter how this coin lands, I’m going to lose.

T. Hanson

For those that are in favor of the hate gay crowd here is a nice candidate:

"Palin breaks with McCain on gay marriage"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27285822/

"As governor, Palin vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to the partners of gay state employees. In a debate with Democratic rival Joe Biden, Palin said she was "tolerant" of gays and said she supported certain legal protections for same-sex couples, like hospital visitation rights."

Nice.. she lasted about 3 weeks before she decided to break her promise. What we need again another hate monger.

Kate

“Actually, I would be surprised if he doesn't try to explain why your statistics don't matter. All while providing none to back up his own position. Typical.”

Whoa. Do you pick lottery winners, too? But who could have predicted that Prof Tiny Plane would prove you right by using ESL as an insult, and then claiming the only way to come by the relevant statistics is to don a candy coating. From now on, should Prof actually provide statistics, we’ll assume he’s a truffle for the day.

Fact is, 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot, 97% of readers don’t challenge them.

TinaMcG

When we first moved to Johnson County 18 months ago, I registered to vote got on the emailing lists of my elected officials. For several months, I read the verbose monthly manifestos from Mr. Kiegerl -- until that time he posted some apropos-of-nothing slam at Al Gore for being a hypocrite on energy use. He had obviously just gotten the months-old internet tirade and thought it would be a good idea to pass it on to his constituents. Haha, Mike, that was hilarious.

I wrote to demand I be taken off his email list immediately.

I am a Christian and a Democrat. Believe it or not, you CAN be both. I am a firm believer in all parties working together for a better country and a better world. I don't need my elected officials posting that kind of drivel in their correspondence to constituents. Post your thoughts and feelings about State business. Leave the snarky stuff to your private emails.

Oh, and forget about my vote, too.

Engineer

T
Some hints. The State Capital is in Topeka. The 43rd district is in Johnson County.

Engineer

Pub 17
“Olathe is very, very unusual: lots of conservative Christians with high incomes, WHO ALSO, PER THE CENSUS, HAVE MUCH LESS EDUCATION THAN OTHER PEOPLE IN THEIR INCOME CADRE.” From this one could conclude that the people in Olathe are smarter and harder working than the average. After all, despite their educational disadvantage, they are doing just as well. But you didn't demonstrate that they actually have less education. As a matter of fact, your statement re the education level of Olathe being on the level of Independence, MO appears to be in error.

T. Hanson

"The second time it opined that my opponent would make a welcome change representing the 43rd District in Topeka but gave no particular reason. "

Isn't that the same district as Fred Phelps? huh... I guess that proves my point of those that love him.

T. Hanson

GCYL,
The fact is that the term "Family Values" has been code word to attack those that do not fit into the stereotypical family unit. And I figure we are big enough to know what Family Values means, anti-gay.
Bush ran on this and tried to make a constitutional amendment out of it. Then in 2004 countless other Republicans used this buzzword to defend their actions on writing an amendment in numerous state constitutions which now makes it illegal to have two adults marry each other. Then said that it was to “protect marriage” but allowed divorces to continue.

I am sorry but "Family Values" code word ranks up there with "Re-education camps" and "The Perfect Race".

Pub 17

Actually, if either of you were native speakers of English, the remarks about conservative Christians with high educations were in reference to Marctnts concerns about me assuming that all conservative Christians were of low incomes.

The problem with the stats I want, and wrote up six years ago for a [paid] study, is that they're in paper at a Government docs depository library, not at the census.gov website, and I'll be dipped in chocolate before I make a trip to the nearest college library solely to answer a question on this silly website. Ciao, from another time zone.

Pub 17

Actually, if either of you were native speakers of English, the remarks about conservative Christians with high educations were in reference to Marctnts concerns about me assuming that all conservative Christians were of low incomes.

The problem with the stats I want, and wrote up six years ago for a [paid] study, is that they're in paper at a Government docs depository library, not at the census.gov website, and I'll be dipped in chocolate before I make a trip to the nearest college library solely to answer a question on this silly website. Ciao, from another time zone.

EKAN

Kate,

How dare you question Pub 17's non-statistics. Actually, I would be surprised if he doesn't try to explain why your statistics don't matter. All while providing none to back up his own position. Typical.

Kate

“Average incomes are high, as you know. Olathe's is almost as high as the rest of the cities. However, Olathe's educational attainment stats are virtually identical to those of Independence (MO).”

A quick check of the U.S. Census website shows that of Olathe residents 25 years and older, 92.7% have a high school diploma (compared to 86% for the State of KS) and 39.9% have a bachelor’s degree or higher (25.8% for KS).

But in Independence 82.9% of residents 25 years and older have high school diplomas and only 15.2% have a bachelor’s degree or higher (21.6% for MO).

“Olathe is very, very unusual: lots of conservative Christians with high incomes, WHO ALSO, PER THE CENSUS, HAVE MUCH LESS EDUCATION THAN OTHER PEOPLE IN THEIR INCOME CADRE.”

It would be interesting to see where this information comes from. The U.S. Census Bureau does not ask questions about religion.

repete

Wow, at least Kiegerl is keeping in the well worn Neo-Con path--the liberal media and the anti-Christian conspiracy are out to get him. Yawn. Can't they come up with anything else?

Perhaps they don't endorse Kiegerl because they don't agree with his policies. If he is consistent in his policies, why would the Star's endorsement change from one election to the next?

He's just joking about the "attractive" comment, right? Normally I'd assume this is a joke, but this guy doesn't seem to be very bright.

GCYL

“Family Values = Progressive Thinkers” – T.Hanson

Just kidding, Mr. T. would never state both sides of the same coin. But while we’re at it,

1) To hate those that are part of a traditional family. Because they are all evil.

2) To hate those that would make me think outside of my little box.

3) To hate those that try to tell me something other than what (fill in the typical response of leftist/elitists and corresponding “news” medias).

4) To hate republicans and everything they stand for.

solomon

51% like this, 49% like that, 49% think, 51% feel, and the beat goes on.

GCYL

Posted by: Pub 17 | Oct 20, 2008 11:08:52 AM
Posted by: Pub 17 | Oct 20, 2008 11:58:41 AM
Posted by: Pub 17 | Oct 20, 2008 12:00:56 PM

Lashing out again against his boogieman called “People who vote differently than I do”.

“1) nobody wants a detailed presentation of JoCo demographics, and 2) I'm not getting paid for this. So, BRIEFLY and without cites:” – Pub17

I think a link to a detailed presentation of JoCo demographics would go a long way with transforming your irrational fears into fact.

Stifled Freedom

Rep, how about facing some reality of your own party?

Stifled Freedom

Rep Kiegerl, are lying, cheating, closet homosexuality, and private business conflicts of interest a part of your "family values". That seems to be the predominent valvues practiced by self rightous Republicans in Washington these days when I look at guys like Larry Craig, Ted Stevens, Trent Lott, Mark Foley, et al. I see nothing but a bunch of hypocritcal lying crooks mascarading as saints.

T. Hanson

Family Values =

1) To hate those that are not part of a traditional family. Because they are all evil.

2) To hate those that would make me think outside of my little box.

3) To hate those that try to tell me something other than what Lord Rush, Lord O'really, or the Heavenly Channel Fox News tells me.

4) To hate democrats and everything they stand for.

Pub 17

And yes, I CERTAINLY recognize that there are polities out there with large local populations of well-educated, conservative Christians. They do NOT respond to the same triggers as less-educated conservative Christians.

 
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