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December 25, 2008

‘Preventative’ war is a crime

During a recent televised interview, Vice President Dick Cheney opined that whether or not Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction posed an imminent threat to our national security was immaterial; it was the speculation that at some future time Saddam Hussein may have the capability of becoming a threat that was sufficient justification for going to war.

Legal scholars generally agree that a war based on speculation about what may or may not be a future threat is an aggressive, “preventative” war, a supreme crime in international law. Critics of “preventative” wars, including Dwight Eisenhower, have argued that accepting “preventative” wars would reduce the world to “the law of the jungle.”

Harold Oppenheim
Kansas City

Comments

Jim

I don't know what's more amusing, GCYL: the way you flail about when confronted with your own sad tactics, or the fact that you seem completely unaware of how you ridiculous you are while flailing. It truly is funny.

We're done here. No amount of childish name-calling on your part can disguise the fact that you're completely unaware of how weak your attempt at an argument really is.

GCYL

“GCYL can't justify a decidedly //SDNC// behind what he says god is all about.” – Jim

[Rolling on the floor, in discomfort, from laughing so hard.]


Thus speaks my newest, mostest, bestest invisible friend, god jimmy. Clearly you can pass judgement on those you find lacking. Good for you. However, give an actual quote of me saying what God is all about in this thread. This is me arguing with the almighty maker of A universe called “Liar”.

“Who can argue with the almighty maker of the universe, after all?” - Jim

Solomon can, well, at least he wants God to give him an account for his actions. You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t join him. I have my hands full demanding things from the minor gods running amok down here on Earth.

Does your bible have a book, chapter and verse that supports the statement “I thought the devil was in the Bible, where it was mandated by God to kill those who had something you wanted.”? Maybe that’s the source of solomon’s confusion.

Jim

(Hysterical laughter)

GCYL can't justify a decidedly un-Christian condescending and ignorant attitude, so he just hides behind what he says god is all about. That's what's so convenient about this god racket: you can make him say and do anything in order to justify your insecurities. Thus GCYL, a bully and a hypocrite, can simply invoke god's "plan" instead of actualy making an argument. GCYL always wins with god on his side. Who can argue with the almighty maker of the universe, after all?

GCYL

Posted by: solomon | Dec 26, 2008 7:16:57 PM

Posted by: solomon | Dec 26, 2008 7:11:16 PM

That’s it? Nothing but hate filled SDNC? So you don’t have a Book, Chapter or Verse for your original statement “I thought the devil was in the Bible, where it was mandated by God to kill those who had something you wanted.”

A legitimate question and you went unglued. You don’t even give the pretense of miss quoting the Bible you just flat out make things up and then spew hate when you’re caught. Sad, solomon, but that’s typical of you.

GCYL

“Since it's pretty obvious that man made god,” – Jim

So says god jimmy.

[Hysterical laughter]

whispering_to_kc

Devil.

An atrociously wicked, cruel, or ill-tempered person.

Devil.

whispering_to_kc

"So far I don't believe we have gotten any oil ... an opinion that sounds as if came from a far left lunatic conspiracy theory bin."

Exxon-Mobil, Shell, Total and BP were the original partners in the Iraq Petroleum Company. They explored Iraq prior to WW2 with the expressed intention of producing in Saudi Arabia and Iran yet holding Iraq petroleum in "reserve" to develop out later. The majors were kicked out of Iraq in the 70s.

They're "negotiating" to return. As noted below, you don't have to actually "get any oil" to make yourself wealthy with it.

solomon

BTW donkey,

You have nothing to prove you know anything of god. Your faith is only in your conceit that you are intelligent enough to know him/her.

Stick to gay communisist youth associations. They are more your speed.

solomon

Its back to the barnyard for you. You are a total waste of time.

Jim

"Are you angry that I’m not joining you in your desire to hold God accountable to man? When did God have to justify his actions to you or me?"

[Hysterical laughter]

Since it's pretty obvious that man made god, and not the other way around, playing your little game of "standing up for god" is pointless. But I'm sure your invisible friend appreciates your efforts just the same.

Jim

Eng,

Nice try, but that has never been the argument made to support domestic oil drilling. The ignorant "drill, baby drill" crowd has said that it would reduce our dependence on foreign oil, which is ridiculous. All the oil we'd get would be sold on the international market, not kept here at home.

Your statement that having to sell it on the international market would help our economy seems to be an admission on your part that you know these pro-drilling arguments are false.

Engineer

Jim
Do you have any documentation to back up your statements? Or does Michael Kerner to back up his? I have seen no documentation or even any theories advanced that the decrease in Iraqi oil supply had anything to do with oil prices. Most seem to hold that those prices were due to speculation. One thing sure, if "we" produce the oil "we" do get to sell it on the open market. So the oil we produce does benefit our economy.

GCYL

“I thought the devil was in the Bible, where it was mandated by God to kill those who had something you wanted.” – solomon

[Laughing]

“Book, chapter and verse please.” - Posted by: GCYL | Dec 26, 2008 10:54:42 AM

“Wouldn't fault //SDNC// like you to ignore or justify the deaths in Gods plan.” - solomon

An irrational response to my question and dose nothing but supports the entertainment value of your lack of reading and comprehension.

Since you’ve abandoned all efforts to back up your original statement, lets move on to your anger over the deaths in Gods plan. Are you angry that I’m not joining you in your desire to hold God accountable to man? When did God have to justify his actions to you or me?

GCYL

“I thought the devil was in the Bible, where it was mandated by God to kill those who had something you wanted.” – solomon

“....the Bible is full of God commanding his "people" to kill others.” – solomon

Two entirely different issues here solomon. I’m continually amazed at your pool reading and comprehension skills.

Yes, the Bible is filled with examples of God using various means/tools/peoples to pass judgement on those he wants dead. But what has that got to do with your first statement? Rhetorical of course, the clear, obvious answer is absolutely nothing what so ever.

Again, do you have a book, chapter and verse where God mandated his people to kill others based on covetous feelings? I’m looking forward to discussing the Biblical contradiction between Thou shalt not covet, Thou shalt not kill with Thou shalt kill to obtain your coveted items.


“Wouldn't doubt my ability to slam back a case of Shout Down Name Calling when facing disagreements with my personal interpretations of the Bible.” Posted by: solomon | Dec 26, 2008 11:23:51 AM

I’d never do that solomon. You addiction with SDNC is well documented in this blog.

solomon

I usually try and ignore you, ass, but the Bible is full of God commanding his "people" to kill others.

The whisperer is free to call Osama the devil, but no more so than the millions killed and enslaved in Christs name.

Wouldn't fault a barnyard animal like you to ignore or justify the deaths in Gods plan.

Mike4Freedom

The war was fought for money-like most wars and the perpetrators of this "preventive" war should hang.

We did not get possession of any oil but we disrupted the supply for a long time, raising the price the domestic oil could be sold for. Many hundreds of billions were made till the bubble burst. So you see, we did not fight for oil, we fought to disrupt the supply. If you supported the war because we needed the oil, you were duped.

GCYL

“I thought the devil was in the Bible, where it was mandated by God to kill those who had something you wanted.” – solomon

[Laughing]

Book, chapter and verse please. Once again I’m intrigued at how bad your reading and comprehension skills are solomon.

NoMoreMrNiceGuy

You know he is Afi or Paki, how? You are privy to classified data? YOu are what they call speculating. Most wars have started over religous ideologies. I suppose we should have stayed out of WWII as well.

Jim

Eng,

You state that so far "we" haven't gotten any oil, but that pretty much misses Whispering's point. "We" as a country wouldn't get the oil anyway, and that's not what was being referred to. Whispering is referring to those who stand to make a significant amount of money on land rights and rights to get the oil out of the ground. On those terms, you're right: "we" haven't done nearly as well as some very good friends of Dick Cheney have.

You're "we" comment is based on the same fallacy that if we just drill for more oil domestically, "we" get to keep it. We don't. It goes to the world market and does nothing to break our dependence on foreign oil.

T. Hanson

I would not give that much credit to Osama either. He is scum, he will die in a cave somewhere and if he is lucky might be buried in the light of day. But for right now he scurries like a roach.

 
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