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December 03, 2008

We, the people, must help selves

Susan Dickey (11/28, Letters, “We, the people, need help”) wrote something that caught my eye. “When will someone on Capitol Hill start helping us, ‘the people?.’” This struck me as a symptom of what’s wrong with our society today. Too many people want government to take care of them rather than working through their problems.

My father grew up through the Depression, was orphaned as a teenager and was sent to a relative’s farm to work. He worked hard, as all did on the farm in the 1930s, and then built up his own farm enough to sustain our family.

When he was in his 80s, I mentioned to him that Habitat for Humanity was building someone a house near him. I thought he would be pleased, but instead he said “Nobody ever built me any damn house.”

We are truly becoming too soft.

Bill Moses
Liberty

Comments

Engineer

whispering_to_kc
From your remarks I assume your understanding of farm conditions in the 30's would be similat in depth to my daughter's concept of infantry action in WWII.

Engineer

whispering_to_kc
From your remarks I assume your understanding of farm conditions in the 30's would be similat in depth to my daughter's concept of infantry action in WWII.

whispering_to_kc

I don't know anything about armed patrols roaming Cass County but the commie Roosevelt pulled their farms into the 20th Century with electrification and paved roads.

And all the boys went off to the war and came back for GI Bill educations and professional employment or UAW jobs at Leeds and Fairfax.

There was little "free ride" or "let the free market rule" involved.

solomon

whisperer,

Did your parents mention the armed patrols, curfews and explosions that were part of day to day life like the Afghan children.

If not maybe that is why your parents grew up loving America.

whispering_to_kc

"Do any of you have the remotest concept of how hard for how little people worked on the "family farm" in the 30s?"

Yes, yes I do. While it was before my time, I've seen photos from my parents upbringing and listened to my grandparent's stories.

(My parents grew up like today's little Afghani kids do. I never heard any of them complain about electricity making it to their farms or the roads getting paved.)

Engineer

Pub 17
I said it was a trend toward socialism. It is taking money from some to give to others which is the object of socialism. Socialism is ownership or control. Taking someone's money to give it to someone else is control. But ok, if you don't like calling it socialism, we will just call it "THIEFISM".
The farm was in Wyandotte County and the power was supplied by Kansas Power & Light. The electric power played no part in the farm operations.

Pub 17

Engineer, you have failed to explain how giving people at the low end of the scale is a step towards public ownership of the means of production. You have also failed to explain why, when these checks are given to businesspeople, they are in support of capitalism. Moreover, I would love to know where the farm was where you grew up, and why it was left out of Rural Electrification when the rest of rural America was enjoying the benefits of this government handout.

Engineer

Pub 17
Look up capitalism. Its definition doesn't include any government handouts. I said the proposed check distribution was a step toward socialism. If you want to argue about that we can always go back to my name for this new form of government, "thiefism".

Engineer

whispering et al
Do any of you have the remotest concept of how hard for how little people worked on the "family farm" in the 30s? Ours was a truck farm and I can assure you we did not receive a penny in federal assistance. Pub would have is believe everyone is subsidized. But if that were the case, who would there be to do the subsidizing? As the letter points out there is just us, there isn't anything else. Tempting as the concept of a "free ride" is, and as well as Obama spun the idea, some one must pay for it and we are the only ones here.

Pub 17

Look up "socialism" in the dictionary. It refers specifically to a system wherein the government owns the means of production. Nothing there about government handouts to achieve some social benefit. "Socialism" isn't a catch-all for any system you don't like, Engineer.

Engineer

Pub 17
The government does have some legitimate roles. That's why we have government. Many of government's actions have socialistic overtones but are reasonable and needed in our society. Sending checks as "tax cuts" to non-FIT payers is a step beyond and a step toward socialism.

Pub 17

It's only socialism if the other guy is getting the money.

Casady

I think the roots of the old guy's problem with Habitat homes can be found in his own words. "Nobody ever built ME any damn house."

Sounds like sour grapes to me as well.

And I'm not sure if I would consider the REA socialist if the productivity increase realized from it's implementation exceeded it's cost. Sort of like the Universal Service Fund.

whispering_to_kc

"How do you know he took those government hand outs?"

If he farmed from the 30s and on, he took "handouts". His first handout was probably retiring the old Delco light plant and plugging the house into the socialistic REA.

I think the roots of the old guy's problem with Habitat homes can be found in his own words. "Nobody ever built ME any damn house."

Gary

The more obvious flaw in Ms. Dickey's letter was her apparent belief that "the people" and "the government" are separate and distinct concepts. That is certainly true in all western European nations, where, historically, royal, noble and priestly classes did formally govern the nation, but America was founded on different principles.

homer glasgow

sorry mr. moses, but the fact that your father was a farmer makes it almost impossible to believe that he was not, or rather is not, the recipient of "welfare"...go to www.heritage.com, farming is the most subsidized industry in this nation.

mianotkia

Well said T.

Pub 17

Three letters: "R". "E". And "A".

SOCIALISM!

T. Hanson

Whispering,

How do you know he took those government hand outs?

He might be an old crusty farmer, but once again he is entailed to his feelings on all those young punks that beg for money.

whispering_to_kc

"We are truly becoming too soft."

Or, your cranky father is too hard. Old age often does that.

Your father, no doubt, spent his share of time at the federal farm subsidies trough over the decades. Beginning with the Commodity Credit Corporation of 1933 and the regular USDA farm bills that followed.

This, of course, also makes your father a hypocrite.

 
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