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January 30, 2009

Closing of Gitmo

According to one letter writer (1/27), it is immoral and inhumane to keep terrorists penned up at Gitmo. That argument is easily cast aside. I, for one, remember the glee and joy of some Muslims as they danced in the streets after 9/11.

Here is what you need to know about Gitmo, the closing of which has nothing to do with the inmates there.

First, President Obama needed to pander to his base.

Second, he needed to inform the CIA and military as to who is boss.

Third, do you think that, in his infinite wisdom, Obama cares what happens to the inmates?

Fourth, Obama can’t stand the thought that Bush actually found the best place in the world to keep them.

Fifth, he has a year to change his mind.

If left to me, I would convert an old freighter into a prison ship and have it crewed and captained by Bosnian Serbs.

Peter Winkler
Kansas City

Comments

solomon

Engineer,

You avoidance of these questions I've asked is making your posts meaningless. What makes Israel our priority responsibility (deserving of our precious tax dollars)and what do they give us in return that we could not have gotten from the people who have lived there for centuries?

In other words, what do they offer us in return for this connection you have with them? What makes them special?

solomon

DutRug, ButRug, ButRug,

I know this doesn't mean anything coming from the likes of me, but anyone who says he went to Nam and never got laid is a liar. Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say.


Engineer,

Wanted to give some space between you and that a w ipe.

So the fact the Jap gov't attacked us made the civilians fair game? On 9/11, people with a grievance towards us attacked us. Would you quit with your double standards and saying things that suggest these guys should love us.

As to the Balkans, read any of the credible books on the region 1989-200 and then we'll have a good conversation about it. i'd suggest some but it would be a waste of time, you wouldn't read them.

As to imperialism, you do not get to define the word, as it has already been established. I won't insult you and say "look it up", because you already know that it fits.

BudRog

Race Card! Tina B I itch, LISTEN this is serious...HAMAS Called, your January dues are PAST DUE! Send your checks TODAY!

Engineer

Solomon
Israel has a right to exist. We seem to be the only country in the world that acknowledges that fact. If we allowed Israel to be destroyed I do not think the radical Muslims would love us a bit more than they now do. As to atrocities committed in Eastern Europe, the Bosnians committed their share as well. What the bombing of Japan during declared war has to do with murder or with Muslim/US relations is lost on me. The UN's failures are many. We have corrected some of them and been criticized for doing so. But the overall World situation is on the UNs plate, not ours. As to imperialism, I fail to see how what we have done in Iraq would meet my definition of the word. We have set up a State there and have a withdrawal agreement. But if you think I have accused you of being a Democrat, I apologize for the insult. :-) 

solomon

BTW, hope you weren't suggesting I'm a Democrat(ic). You certainly know I'm not.

solomon

Engineer,

I don't know where to start. Let's start with do the right thing. Let's get it out in the open. Who is it that you want to "do the right thing for"? What connection or allegiance to you have that make you want to do the "right thing"

After firebombing most of the cities in Japan we dropped two atomic bombs on larger ones. Of the 100s of thousands if not millions of deaths almost all were innocent victims, caught up in the repercussions of their governments actions. Now, you might not agree that the United States is the Great Satan, but I've got to tell ya, your not the best judge of how the world see's us. Don't get me wrong, neither am I, but I can see why people on the other side might not think we are the best thing since sliced bread.

Your other part, about Africa and other parts of the world. . You basically are saying,(and I don't want to put words in your mouth), is that the enslavement of children who are forced to kill, the raping of women as a terror tactic,(as the Serbs did to the Bosnian women) and the continuing cycle of violence is the UNs business. Ensuring Israel is ours.

I've never said Iraq was about oil, I've always identified it correctly as "imperialism". No one has yet to dispute that what we've done there fits the definition of the word.

BTW, I asked you specifically what they had done in our interest?

even' Mr Lambert,

Hamas is what most people in our country would resort to in the same situation or they would end up pushed out, confined and/or made doormats. Please fill free to answer any or none of the things I asked of my friend Engineer.

Roger Lambert

A better question for Tina might be what Hamas brings to "her" party. Answer that one, and it will explain quite a bit.

Engineer

solomon
It seems you and Tina embrace the philosophy "Never do the right thing unless there's something in it for me". Apparently that is why some Democratics were so sure we were going into Iraq for the oil. If you do something it’s got to be for a personal payoff, right? Apparently that line of thought, and the weed you all seem to be so fond of, are the basis for all the ridiculous charges re Iraq that are spouted and have been for years without being proved.

Engineer

solomon
Rejoicing over victory in an armed conflict and the end of war is one thing. Rejoicing over the cold blooded murder of defenseless civilians is another. If the difference is not clear to you there is no point in discussing the matter. The various conflicts around the world are the UN's business and it claims to be taking action. On the other hand it is obvious that the UN would take no action to counter violence against Israel.

TinaMcG

Well Solomon, it should be interesting to see how Netanyahu and Obama deal with eachother then, because though Obama does support Israel, it isn't the kind of head-right-up-Israel's-backside kind of support they're used to from American presidents.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what Israel brings to our party. Even my Jewish friends scratch their heads over that question.

solomon

Engineer,

As far as the rejoicing over 9/11, hard as it was for us to watch it is completely understandable. As pointed out earlier we have no problem rejoicing in victory or when we feel an enemy has been stricken, why should they be different? As far as it being unlikely that they would have been out friends, as we have supported Israel, who defies the UN, all nuclear weapon treaties and discriminates against the Palestinians, we have made our own bed.


Considering the propaganda machine that Iran has, along with its ties to Hezbollah and Hamas, where do you think our face as the Great Satan comes from if not the blind support we gave the Shah and later Saddam Hussien.

As far as Israel and our holding our heads up, when have the Israelis ever acted in the United States best interest? Please give examples.

Currently there are many wars of aggression and terror going on around the world. How do you hold your head up knowing that as we debate this tonight there are thousands of children being forced to make war and thousands of women being raped in the Congo? Seems selective on your part. What makes the state of Israel special?

Please remember I don't dislike them. I just could not care less about them considering the current and potential costs of our support for them.

solomon

TinaMcG,

It is in the cards for next month. He's like a schoolyard bully who knows your dad works for his dad.

Engineer

Solomon
The UN was standing and watching as it always does unless the US takes action. As to Iran, I seriously doubt that our backing of the Shah had much to do with the Muslim reaction to 9/11, even among those who knew about it. More likely they were emboldened by our weak and indecisive fumbling after our embassy was seized. On any event, it seems to me highly unlikely that those who would rejoice over the murder of three thousand of us will ever really be our friends no matter what we do for them. We, you and I, will never reach an agreement in this. So far as I am concerned the US could never hold its head up again if we allowed Israel to be destroyed. And Iran has repeatedly said it is dedicated to Israel's destruction. We cannot buy Muslim approval with the blood of Israel and still claim to be an honorable people.

TinaMcG

OMG Solomon, please don't even mention the possibility of Bibi being Israel's head of state again. That's even scarier than the though of Sam Brownback being governor in Kansas.

solomon

Engineer,

A century ago Bismark said the Balkins are not worth the life of one Pomeranian Grenadier.

Those are words we should heed well when the expansionist warmonger Netanyahu gets elected and escalates the situation in the Middle East. For those of our friends here willing to have their sons and daughters die defending Israel, let us urge them to enlist now. My youngest son is 26 and I never want him to fight for a non-American cause like that if the draft is reinstated, which it will have to be before this war on terror ends.

solomon

Engineer,
You're all over the map today. The "Christian" Serbs were the aggressive murdering terrorists 20 years ago, and the UN dutifully went into action to address it. Daniel Pearle was murdered according to the standards the Serbs set, yet that is never mentioned, in fact, if you polled this thread, few would tell you they have any inclination of the atrocities done by christians against Muslims.

As to your comment to tomw, I've give you two examples.....Iran, where we supported a a corrupt regime during the Cold War and Israel, which contrary to popular belief here in the states is an oppressive figure to millions of Muslims.

As you know I am against terrorand/or oppression.... and US support of either.

When Netanyahu starts a stink over Iran wanting nuclear capabilities(which israel has had for decades in total disregard of all nuclear pacts and treaties) and Americans are called upon to die because of his escalation we'll have this converstion again, I'm sure.

Engineer

tomw
Why did Muslims view the US as "the enemy" before 9/11? Prior to that there had been numerous acts of violence against the US by Muslims, but the US had gone to war against Christians to protect Muslims in Eastern Europe.

Engineer

solomon
That may have been what Peter had in mind. Just where we are going to put them is a very good question to which no one has suggested a viable answer. In Gitmo they are allowed conduct that simply would not and could not be tolerated in any civilian prison. With the much lower ratio of guards to inmates you would lose control. And the guards, not being under military control, would retaliate where soldiers cannot. It does not seem that much, if any, consideration was given to the problems involved before time restricted pledges of action were made.

TinaMcG

"I made me physically sick. "

IT made me physically sick. IT. That's one type that needs correction.

solomon

Careful guys, I've warned you before, showing signs of intelligence here is dangerous.

 
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