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February 01, 2009

Closing Gitmo bad idea

President Obama’s decision to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center is a terrible mistake. To consider bringing the Islamic terrorists from that facility to the United States mainland is even worse. These terrorists are vicious killers who have no protection under the Geneva Convention and certainly no protection under the U.S. Constitution. These detainees should be tried by military courts and tribunals.

Those found innocent should be sent to their native countries. To the guilty, as their crimes are judged, let them be incarcerated or executed. To bring these people to the United States and try them in our federal court system would be nothing more than a tremendous boon to the likes of radical left trial lawyers and the American Civil Liberties Union.

Bud Frye
Olathe

Comments

Jim Campbell

Closing Gitmo is a great idea!! We need to send all of the detainees to Saudia Arabia where they will imprison them for a few days and let them get back on the battlefield. This is what happened before.
Lets let these guys "git back in the game"
Praise Allah

Arminius

Gallup's new poll shows that just 44% of Americans agree with the Messiah's plan to close Gitmo.

Dan Beyer

Really?
7 1/2 years after 9/11, a debate rages here in the US that we should be treating the poor misunderstood terrorists like their guests over for dinner!
There is even a debate that some are just innocent victims of the big bad military industrial complex!
No one has claimed that they are all innocent? Just give it a little more time Solomon. Just a little more time.

solomon

HEY DANNY BOY...

Chill my man, no one has even suggested such a crazy thing on this thread.

You hateful guy.:-)

Dan Beyer

Yeah everyone at Gitmo are innocent. Really, their aren't any terrorists in the world if you think about it long enough. Terrorists are just the figment of warmonger's minds!

Jim

"Does having an association with someone who has been suspected of knowing a terrorist make you a terrorist?"

If you believe the juvenile reasoning of Sarah Palin, then yes. Only problem is she was in DC last Saturday night "palling around" with our new president. So, by her dishonest reasoning, I suppose that makes her...

solomon

Engineer,

I wasn't avoiding you but had not been on the site since yesterday evening.

This is why installations like this are problematic. What do we do with a Gitmo detainee that has not engaged in an act of terror? Are there any Gitmo detainee's who have not engaged in acts of terror. Does having an association with someone who has been suspected of knowing a terrorist make you a terrorist?

These are the what ifs involved? We invaded Afghanistan and if we captured someone we were shooting at and sent him to Gitmo, how long can you keep him as a POW? Until the end of the conflict? You can not defeat ideology. This is a war without end, and anybody who says different is stupid, blind or both.

so this is one without a clear answer. My position is that Gitmo has no legal standing in world law and that we can not make up the rules as we go along.

Engineer

solomon
You haven't answered my question. Come on, it's straight forward. It's not like one of your "Have you stopped beating your wife? Answer yes or no." questions you are so fond of asking.

Engineer

Marctnts
In the case of those that we know to be innocent, the problem seems to be that there is no place that they can go or that is willing to take them. The Muslim Chinese are an example. I do not see how closing Gitmo will help their situation unless we are ready to turn them loose in the US. From all I can learn, the conditions at Gitmo and the treatment they receive there are better that can be expected in any US penitentiary.

Dan Beyer

They are not trying to change us or our "standing" in the world. They want to utterly destroy us!
They know how we are and will use our sense of justice against us like they are already. Al-Quiada has issued orders to that effect to anyone who is captured. They don't play by our rules! Those who want to pamper these terrorists are the ones that are playing into their hands!
9/11 proved they aren't idiots. Far from it, they are manipulating our sense of fairness and justice. Everything they are doing from hunger strikes to outright suicides are part of a plan they have to get us divided.
And it's working.

Arminius

"It sounds like you are playing right into AQ's hands. They want us to change the way we do things to one that gives us less moral standing and credibility in the world. You seem to be just fine with their goals and intentions. We have to be better than that because we are better than that."

We abort 2 million babies a year, yet some morons think we have lost our moral standing because we waterboarded three terrorists.

Engineer

solomon
If we have taken someone not in uniform and under arms on a battle field in Afghanistan, what do we do with him? Turn him loose to fight again?

solomon

Engineer,

Here's where we must agree, there has to be a solution, we can not keep this going with no end in sight. This miiltary action will not end in anybody who is reading this lifetime.

Marctnts,

Reasonable thought and compassion don't play here well.

Arminius,

Trash to the trash bin, yardbird.

Marctnts

Face it, the detainees don't fit into any neat category and they there's not any "easy" answer. They aren't US residents, and thus not entitled to constitutional protections, and they aren't uniformed combatants, and thus not entitled to Geneva Convention protections.

Until we do land upon some sort of "perfect answer", isn't it better to err on the side of caution and provide the detainees more than they're entitled rather than less?

I always like to ask the "kill them all" crowd how they would feel if they or their loved ones were taken captive by Iranian operatives in Canada and jailed indefinately? Rememeber, we've already determined that not all of our detainees we're actually guilty of anything, and the "but THEY are evil" argument doesn't work because to certain other countries, we are the evil ones? Wouldn't you want to know that you (or your loved ones) had some sort of recourse against permanent detention without trial?

Jim

Dan,

It sounds like you are playing right into AQ's hands. They want us to change the way we do things to one that gives us less moral standing and credibility in the world. You seem to be just fine with their goals and intentions. We have to be better than that because we are better than that.

Dan Beyer

But that don't change the fact that they are at war with us! They don't "play" by our rules. They use them to their advantage!

Stifled Freedom

"Those found innocent should be sent to their native countries. To the guilty, as their crimes are judged, let them be incarcerated or executed."

That all can and will be done in the federal court system. Your only allowed to use war time methods during a time of war. We are not at war.

Engineer

solomon
Some of them were taken on the field of battle, what do you do with them? We have freed quite a few from Qitmo, apparent ever 60 of them in error. In any event that has nothing to do with the physical problems of closing Gitmo. To date if appears that no one has any constructive ideas on this matter. Let us hope there was more solid thought behind the rest of the pre-election rhetoric, which seems to have sobered down considerably, than there apparently was behind the often repeated "Close Guantanamo".

Arminius

Dan Beyer:

Gee, little sol thinks you hate terrorists. Why would anyone hate terrorists?

solomon

Dan Beyer,

I have described what you project as hatred. You just described them as "very evil blood thirsty people who hate our way of life".

Considering what I said and considering what you just wrote, seems like my saying you hate them was not inaccurate.

If you don't hate them, please example of a better term for your expression and emotions.

 
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