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February 16, 2009

Military should drop ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’

I did not vote for President Obama. The only Democrat I have voted for as far back as I remember is Ike Skelton. But I do agree with Obama’s promise to get rid of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” It’s a ridiculous law.

I was one of millions of “Rosie the Riveters” back in World War II, and my husband served in the Navy. We’re American flag-wavers, so we’d never want to damage our armed forces. But our military needs every able person, so we should let qualified people serve without fear of being fired simply because of who they are.

People didn’t like President Truman’s 1948 order to end segregation in the military, but he knew the right thing to do was to treat everyone the same and make everyone toe the same line. Obama and Congress don’t need to study gays in the military. They need to look at what the president from the Show-Me state did and follow his example.

Betty LaBombard
Odessa, Mo.




There is a documentary about a certain deceitful person who ambushed and massacred a Roman Legion in a forest on Hist Intl tonight at 10 pm.

I haven't seen it before but I imagine it will be pretty interesting and insightful.


Oh I absolutely agree, Sol. I think outside influence or more importantly, role model influence plays a tremendous part in one's upbringing. Here's my take on it. Having gay parents may not necessarily influence you to pursue a gay lifestyle but it will help you realize that it is a perfectly acceptable alternative which may help you avoid years of torture and analysis if you should happen to be gay. I don't think it will "make you gay".

As for my requesting Rougy to ask his gay friends about whether or not it was a choice, I was almost going to mention that he can find them hanging out with all those left leaning jewish friends he once talked about. That one really cracked me up!



Make it tougher than that, have him ask one of his black democrat gay US Army veteran friends.

Your post brings to mind a show I saw part of last night. There was a wedding between two women, which I have no problem with, and they have two young girls between them. As I watched the two brides hold hands and dance in a circle with the little girl who is about 5 I had the thought; couldn't that be considered an influence on the child that would affect her decisions later? The happy celebration of the mother she loves finding that perfect someone, and the mental picture she might have of that perfect person to seek?

I only bring it up because people say gays have no choice and outside influences don't determine a person's sexual preference. Maybe that part about outside influences isn't always the case.


" do not believe those black members of the military had a choice as to their skin color Betty......"

So Rougy, you are implying that gays made a choice regarding their sexual preferences? Did you? Why don't you ask your gay frieds if that was in fact the case before jumping to conclusions about lifestyle you know nothing about.

But I do agree with your comment that shouldn't matter as long as it is not "in your face" and affecting the goal of the mission but you can pretty much say that about any personality conflicts.

T. Hanson

Just for reference:
As of 2006 11,694 gay members were discharged, prior to end of commitment.

These members were not discharged for being drunk, or drugged up. They did not hit a superior officer, nor did they give the enemy secrets. They were trained and some even fought next to other shipmates/soldiers/airmen.

The total cost to train a solider/sailor/airman came to around $10,500 per person (for basic training, uniforms, transfers). So when those members were discharged they cost the US Government around $122 million dollars. Double that number if you want to add their replacements. What a shame.

The case that involved a woman from the National Guard was worse discharge in my eyes. She was not wearing a pride flag at work. She was merrily in a line at Walmart not in uniform with her girlfriend where they did kiss on the cheek. A DOD civilian saw them and reported her. From where I stand this was not “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” The solider did not tell.


I served under DADT for five years. It's a policy that's unworkable and unenforcable. It's also evolved in a piecemeal fashion since the early nineties from Don't Ask/Don't Tell to Dont' Pursue, Don't Harrass, etc.

As my Command Master Chief used to say, "How about Don't Give a Sh*t??"

If you can do the job and respect your fellow servicement, there's no reason why you can't be who you are. ButtRag has his Limbaugh talking points, but he's also said in the past that he knows for a fact that none of the people he served with were gay. None.

He's not exactly dealing with a full deck.


As long as those folks do not cause, or contribute to the failure of the mission I agree with RC; that is why "don't ask, don't tell" serves its purpose.

I have great concerns for the efficiency of any unit if an "in your face, like it or not" philospy develops over this issue.

An army "kills people and breaks things". Social tests should be left to the civilain population.


Tough one here, I agree with BuddyT that it is a poor comparison, but I also know that gays have fought in every American War and most likely every war in history. Homosexuals have as much of a right to love and serve this country as anyone else. They should be permitted to and appreciated the same as any other citizen.


I do not believe those black members of the military had a choice as to their skin color Betty......

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