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February 18, 2009

‘Murder Factory’ needs better schools

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver seems to believe that all the problems in the 64130 ZIP code can be solved by investing in churches and ministers (2/1, Opinion, “How to close ’Murder Factory’; Churches: Key players”).

Rep. Cleaver, I have news for you. Nothing will ever change in the “Murder Factory” unless and until the kids who grow up there are given the opportunity to receive an education.

There are many churches and an abundance of ministers and reverends in the neighborhood. There are no good public schools. Why? Because the Kansas City school board is an abysmal failure and has been for 30 years. You need only to look at their record.

What these kids so desperately need is a real leader to stand up and lead. Abolish this incompetent and dysfunctional board. Replace board members with individuals who actually care about teaching the kids.

Stephen G. Spruill
Pleasant Hill

Comments

solomon

One last thing Engineer,

You dislike and demean Al and Jesse because they are only concerned with the black community. If they weren't, who should it be left up to? You?

solomon

You really can't see the forest for the tree's can you?

In case you missed it, there are some black people who live in the communities I am speaking of with the daffodils. There numbers are much higher than whites living in the black community though.

I've never said whites do not have to work hard. This is not about whites not having to work hard. Hell, I've worked hard all of my life.

The real sad part of your comment is you really can't see that "black leader" is a ridiculous term. I asked you what a white leader is and you say they don't exist. By the same token there are no black leaders, just people in the public eye that you get to fixate on.

Engineer

solomon
No I don't get it. Al and Jessie who, so far as their actions are concerned, seem to be concerned only with the Black community. I know of no white counterparts, at least any who are accepted by society as a whole.
I can see nothing of significance in your remarks about daffodils. The only thing I can make of it is that you are saying "if you are white, you've got it made with no effort on your part". I grew up watching my father and grandfather in a bitter struggle with poverty, so sell that line somewhere else.

Engineer

Pub 17
Doctors. Lawyers, and yes, Engineers, are licensed professionals who are legally responsible for acting according to the expertise of their professions. I might not be able to quote the legal considerations of a situation but I certainly can make a decision as to what I can afford and what I cannot. I can also make up my mind as to whether or not what I know about a bill indicates to me whether or not it will be successful in accomplishing its stated purpose. Or perhaps, more pertinently, its real purpose as bill's names often have little to do with their real purpose.

solomon

doo do doodle loodle, doo do doodle loodle, do........

solomon

Engineer,

First of all, tell me what a "white" leader is? Then, please explain what a black "leader" is. Get it?

I don't don't how you've avoided being hit by a truck walking around with "Entrance of The Gladiators" whistling through your mind.

Daffodils, or any other flower, are planted because concerned citizens become involved with gov't planners and ask that they be planted in scenic landscaping. If that is the biggest concern of a community I imagine that's what you go to gov't for. If you have more important concerns for your community and you are black that makes you a race pimp", right?

I am familiar with the Twana Brawley case, and it was not a credible situation. I have also heard Sharpton on FOX say that he believed her at the time. so the guy was wrong, and he said on national TV that he was wrong. But lose your double standards here, there are dozens of Scottsboro Boys cases in your lifetime for every Twana Brawley type case.

Engineer

solomon
What was the point in asking what I call them if you do not believe they exist? Both Al and Jessie have done things that verge on the illegal if not completely over the line. Name a white "leader" that has been involved in anything like the Twana Brawley? episode. Or has incited to riot against shop owners. Or in Jessie's case, who has extracted money from businesses by threats of mounting protests against them? As to driving around town, of course there are different levels of prosperity. but there are more poor white people than there are poor black people. So what's your point? And just what was the significance of your remark about daffodils

solomon

Engineer,

Plainly it is my assertion that there is no such a thing as a race hustler or race pimp, those are just ugly designations you and people like BuddyT would give people you dislike. Why is someone wanting something like jobs or equity in gov't spending a "pimp' in the minority community when it is just something you expect in ours.

BTW, that homeowner association thing you mentioned....BS, and you know it. That is not what I mentioned when I brought up the daffodils in the median.

Not long ago I suggested a drive through our metropolitan area to see the differences. You, my friend, would not be able to see the forest for the trees.

Engineer

solomon
You have not answered what the "white counterpart of "race pimps" and "race hustler" would be. It is your assertion that there are such. Surely you are not saying it is those who would call for plantings? In my town that is done by the Homes Association.

solomon

Good evening Engineer,

Last thing first, I agree with Marctnts about the school district having screwed up priorities.

Now, to deal with the other part, I reject out of hand your characterization of these men as "race pimps" and "race hustlers". The fact that you ignore is that America is not a level playing field and it is not likely that people like yourself will ever stand up and oppose indignities or inequities between the races. If that were the case Jesse and Al would be out of the spotlight and out of work. You seem to live in a false reality where the concept "all men are created equal" actually exists. It will only exist when good people like you start to speak out, and as you have told us here, you speak out against the issues you see fit to, and discrimination and racial inequities aren't things you give a crap about.

I am not a fan or supporter of either of these guys, but they know and live something you and I never will.

Your neighborhood people, you know, the concerned citizens who make sure some intersection in JoCo has the proper number of taxpayer paid for daffodils in the median strip would be the closest to Al or Jesse you need in your locale. The guys you and ButRag would call race hustlers or pimps (or Fuzzy Wuzzy as the a-hole said this morning) don't represent people who want flowers, just jobs, equality and the same type of life that you have.

I read today where Al Sharpton took issue with a political cartoon which represented our President as a bullet ridden chimp. Considering the things said here almost daily you don't take issue with, who are you to call this man a hustler or pimp. You could not care less about that segment of the population.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Engineer

solomon
" I asked Engineer one day what the white counterpart of "race pimps" and "race hustler" would be, he said they don't exist."
So who are they and what do you call them? Who are Al or Jesse's counterparts?
What seems obvious about the KCMO School District is that although they spend roughly half again as much per pupil as the Shawnee Mission District, much less seems to get to the class room. Where do the funds go? One is almost forced to agree with Marctnts.

solomon

Casady,

Our experience was 10 years ago, but it was excellent at the time. It was a magnet theme that made sense.

Casady

Thanks guys. That's helpful. And Marc, the free or reduced cost lunch program would be a satisfactory benchmark. With that said, 80% is unbeleivable. I stand corrected.

And Sol, thanks for your insight. I should probably check into Paseo since we are nearing the high school years. Beats the hell out of paying $15K plus for Pembroke.

solomon

....one of the schools "where" desks....

solomon

Marctnts,

We did not have any disagreement. When I asked for examples that's all I was looking for, not a defense of your posts.

You have shown clearly here numerous times you and BuddyT don't have certain traits in common, so my using the quotation marks was just because you used them. I do stand firm though on the fact that negative designation is typically applied with the use of "community activist" or "community leader". Somewhere in this screwy system we are at place where people call individuals working for the black community one thing and concerned citizens in the majority communities something different. As example, I asked Engineer one day what the white counterpart of "race pimps" and "race hustler" would be, he said they don't exist.

Casady,

That would be an interesting stat. My 4 chldren are mostly products of parochial schools, I have very little experience with KCMOSD, my youngest boy went to the Paseo school of the Arts ten years ago and I can tell you at that school most of the families were middle class or better economically. That was though, one of the schools were desks went empty while the district tried to put white children in them.

bb,

There is an obvious problem in a society where illegitimate children are the majority or at least the norm.

Marctnts

Casady,

The only readily available data I've seen has to do with the number of students who qualify for free or reduced cost lunches. The KCMO district is at 80%, which is about double the state average.

Here's a good site with the district info as a comparison to Missouri averages:
http://dese.mo.gov/planning/profile/arsd048078.html

And another, with more pretty pictures:

http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/mo/district_profile/230/

Casady

Marc or Sol, do either of you guys have any stats on the percentage of school age children in KC public schools who's parent(s) is/are on some kind of state or federal aid. I agree with Al that parenting and home life is a huge part of the problem, but he seemed to jump to conclusions welfare thing a little too quickly for my comfort. I'm wagering that they are in the minority.

bigalsbeans

Perhaps if we had fewer women having multiple children from multiple "baby daddys" with no father in the picture this situation would improve. Its not that the KCMO SD doesn't get enough money, they just need to do better with it.

Along with that, parents actually need to be parents, many of them are not, they are just the person that collects the tax refund or welfare payment for having them.

Marctnts

"Are we to assume that the poor performing staff members are also members of the community?"

Oops, missed that one. Yes, I would say that by and large, the staff members we're talking about are a part of the community in question. That doesn't mean that they are solely responsible for poor performance, but what it does mean is that their inclusion in the list of "poor performers" means that there is absolutely NO desire within the leadership to address the problem.

 
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