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February 27, 2009

Obama’s speech to Congress

Tuesday evening the nation was treated to an unreality celebration. All the characters were present: the president, the Democrats and the GOP.

The first two had passed a trillion-dollar pork spending bill without one thought as to how the nation would pay for it. President Obama talks endlessly about what he is going to do, but never mentions how he expects to pay for his trillions and trillions of spending. We could double taxes, bring home all the troops and not come close to paying for all of this. We are looking at multi-trillion deficits for generations.

Meanwhile our bankers, the Chinese and the Arabs, have lowered substantially their dollar reserves. If they stop buying our public debt, we are going to be a banana republic.

Clark Redick
Mission Hills

While listening to President Obama talk about increasing the federal government’s involvement in “energy, health care and education,” I did a word search on the Constitution of the United States for those terms. It came as no surprise to me that nowhere in the Constitution and all of its amendments is the federal government empowered to deal with any of those areas.

Alex McLellan
Overland Park

Comments

Jim

"And I don't remember any attacks from you on Gore."

Eng,

That was NINE years ago. Were you posting here nine years ago? I sure wasn't.

Smarter Than You

From your direct argument:
""Some" of us think Henry Ford created the first "true" automobile." Now it's "mass production of." News bulletin: nobody argued Olds and Ford didn't lead mass production techniques. That wasn't the quote from the President. Look up the transcript.

Given that you try to twist accepted scientific fact to fit your own personal belief, you get into a snit over any perceived slight and you seem to have a real disconnect from any sort of logical thought process, I'm guessing you were a member of the Bush2 White House! (OK, that was low, even by your standards).

whispering_to_kc

From your link, I note ...

"... [Frenchman] Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot is often credited with building the first self-propelled mechanical vehicle or automobile in about 1769 ..."

"The large-scale, production-line manufacturing of affordable automobiles was debuted by Ransom Olds at his Oldsmobile factory in 1902. This concept was greatly expanded by Henry Ford, beginning in 1914."

"Germany's first mass-manufactured car, the Opel 4PS Laubfrosch (Tree Frog), came off the line at Russelsheim in 1924 ..."

The modern, mass produced auto was "invented" by Olds and Ford. The Krauts were years later.

Smarter Than You

Whimpering:

Thanks for the validation. Your myopia must have prevented you from reading this in the thread:"I credited Obama with an outstanding delivery and a really amusing gaff. No comparisons to anything from Bush Dos, Clinton, Bush Uno, Reagan, etc. Perhaps the need to rabidly defend against a non-attack tells me all I need to know about. . ."

For fun, and because you've gone to such great lengths to parade your hypocracy for us, I'll include another link for you. You'll note that "Karl Benz generally is acknowledged as the inventor of the modern automobile." What you won't find is a reference to any American inventing the auto, which was the quote from the President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile

Engineer

Jim
But he has done something for Kansas. Third time seems to be the charm on Cabinet appointments. One for 3 is good hitting in baseball but is it good enough for running a country?

Engineer

Jim
The destinations and purposes of the rail lines are different. As to Gore, I thought his worst lies were about "walking sentry tours in the Elephant Grass". He was there but he had, in effect, body guards assigned and he never did anything even approaching sentry duty. And I don't remember any attacks from you on Gore. In the case of the misnamed “stimulus” bill, the earmarks and other questionable projects in the bill don't worry me all that much. What does worry me are the social programs that have little or nothing to do with "stimulus" and some of his other ideas. Cap and trade by itself would be enough by itself to put the economy in a slide even if it were healthy. But my biggest problem with Obama is that he has no belief in, or understanding of, private enterprise. He understands getting money out of the government, he has no understanding of how the funds are generated in the first place.

Engineer

Jim
The destinations and purposes of the rail lines are different. As to Gore, I thought his worst lies were about "walking sentry tours in the Elephant Grass". He was there but he had, in effect, body guards assigned and he never did anything even approaching sentry duty. And I don't remember any attacks from you on Gore. In the case of the misnamed “stimulus” bill, the earmarks and other questionable projects in the bill don't worry me all that much. What does worry me are the social programs that have little or nothing to do with "stimulus" and some of his other ideas. Cap and trade by itself would be enough by itself to put the economy in a slide even if it were healthy. But my biggest problem with Obama is that he has no belief in, or understanding of, private enterprise. He understands getting money out of the government, he has no understanding of how the funds are generated in the first place.

whispering_to_kc

From your link ...

"Who invented the automobile?"

"This question does not have a straightforward answer. The history of the automobile is very rich and dates back to the 15th century when Leonardo da Vinci was creating designs and models for transport vehicles."

"There are many different types of automobiles - steam, electric, and gasoline - as well as countless styles. Exactly who invented the automobile is a matter of opinion. If we had to give credit to one inventor, it would probably be Karl Benz from Germany. Many suggest that he created the first true automobile in 1885/1886."

Many? Is that the best you can do?

The first Benz was a motorized tricycle, a moped. "Some" of us think Henry Ford created the first "true" automobile.

If this "automobile gaff" is the best you can do, good for you but you should find something else to keep busy with. Get yourself a hobby.

Jim

Sorry, "didn't even right" should be "didn't even write."

Jim

Eng,

I'd also love to hear your response to the hypocrisy exhibited by Jindal requesting the very high-speed rail money he called wasteful in his speech. And I would love to hear how his made-up story about standing in that sheriff's office during Katrina is nothing like what the Right lambasted Al Gore for during the 2000 campaign. If you'll recall, he said he toured a disaster area with government officials that we later found out he had never visited. Is the fact that Jindal is the new Republican golden boy that his case is different?

Jim

Eng,

Not surprisingly, your response to this merely highlights your willingness to be led around by your party.

Obama gets a piece of trivia wrong in a speech. Even though it doesn't affect anyone's lives or any policy, you say it calls into question his judgement and his ability to do what's right. Suddenly, because of a line of no consequence that he probably didn't even right, it means he's "in over his head."

But when George W. Bush told us about Saddam's supposed yellowcake shopping trip to Africa, something that did matter and did affect policy and the lives of countless people, it doesn't matter that the CIA explicitly told the White House to take it out of the speech because it just wasn't reliable intel. We now know it was based on a forged document. After the actual experts said to take it out, the White House decided to leave it in, illustrating perfectly why Bush was "in over his head." Or do you disagree? Please tell me why a piece of trivia about cars is more instructive than refuted intel that helped sell the case for war.


Smarter Than You

Whimpering:

Did you miss the part of the article in LARGE LETTERS at the beginning?. “Q: Who invented the automobile? A: Karl Benz.” Or maybe your myopia caused you to miss the chart that lists “Karl Friedrich Benz (1844-1929) Gasoline / First true automobile.” The word “true” probably threw you. Under the criteria you utilize, you should also give a shout-out to Ally Oop for inventing the wheel. Steps in development don’t equal the finalized product.

Please tell me that you are not that desperate to finally get something right. Please tell me that your brain, that lump about 15-20 inches above your backside (assumption), is not so atrophied as to render simple comprehension beyond your capabilities. Please tell me that you are not an inveterate prevaricator.

What could Al Gore have to do with this line of debate? Or Hannity? Or Rush? Straw man arguments again, Whispering? Given that I don’t watch or listen to either, you’d have to inform me if they even addressed the automobile gaff.

In the words of that great jurist, Judge Smails, “Well, we’re waiting.”

Engineer

Whoever invented the auto, it wasn't an American. And the engines in our gasoline/ethanol/natural gas fueled cars definitely take after a Frenchman, Carnot. Obama may be a real authority on Community Organizing with an experience record. When we get beyond that, he is out of his range of experience. Let's hope he knows more about energy production, on which he wants to spend billions, than he does about automobile invention. However, we have no grounds on which to believe he does.

whispering_to_kc

From your own STY link ...

"There are many different types of automobiles - steam, electric, and gasoline - as well as countless styles. Exactly who invented the automobile is a matter of opinion."

And ...

"Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot (1725-1804) 1769 STEAM / Built the first self propelled road vehicle (military tractor) for the French army: three wheeled, 2.5 mph. France"

Frenchy was 100 years ahead of Karl Benz putting an "auto" on the road. STY is only repeating Hannity and Rush's talking points, trying to spread them through the population like a virus propagates.

The USA was the first to put autos into the hands of the general public. Partly through inexpensive mass production methods and partly through putting decent wages into the hands of its employees. Decent wages eventually returned to the corporate fathers with the purchase of their autos.

I'm surprised STY hasn't pointed out once again that "Al Gore invented the internet". If this stuff is all "you" have left, we can finally move on, you're toast.

Smarter Than You


"Obama an A for delivery," " My favorite moment" & "President of Germany."
vs.
"eight years of nonsensical, faith-based, Bush gibberish-speak"
"Saddam attempted to buy yellowcake from Niger"
"classic case of the brand of hypocrisy"
"we're keeping score"
"the Bush administration"
"exaggerate others' responses into some rabid overreaction"

Jimmers, once again, are you being ironic or obtuse?

Tina, you're right. You've told me a million times not to exaggerate (cringe intended). I should have typed "tells me all I need to know about some of the Obama supporters on this blog."

Jim

"Perhaps the need to rabidly defend against a non-attack tells me all I need to know about the Obama presidency and his supporters."

And perhaps the need to exaggerate others' responses into some rabid overreaction should tell us all we need to know about you.

Keep cocooning!

TinaMcG

"Perhaps the need to rabidly defend against a non-attack tells me all I need to know about the Obama presidency and his supporters."

You're better and smarter than that, STY.

Smarter Than You

The skin is very thin out there in Obama land. It's like a collective of Nicholson's with golf clubs after a traffic incident. Be that as it may. . .

I credited Obama with an outstanding delivery and a really amusing gaff. No comparisons to anything from Bush Dos, Clinton, Bush Uno, Reagan, etc. Perhaps the need to rabidly defend against a non-attack tells me all I need to know about the Obama presidency and his supporters.

TinaMcG

I felt bad for Jindal. I think he was used by his party. Having a young, dark-skinned governor give the Republican response and trot out failures of the Bush administration as evidence that "government IS the problem" was a real stinkbomb, and I don't believe Jindal drafted that message all by himself. No Republican leader in Congress had the stones to give that response. Could it be because for the last eight years, they have all be part of the problem?

I'm not going to judge Jindal by that one performance. I'll throw his lowest grade out (just like community college). I have seen many interviews with him and heard him comment on newstalk shows, and I've always found him rather moderate and very pleasant. I'm disappointed that he chose to embroider that Katrina story, just as I was disappointed that Hillary embroidered her Bosnia story. But let's just accept that people do stupid trivial things from time to time and not judge them solely on those dumb things -- unless they're pathological about it.

Let's judge them on the really important dumb things they do, like getting us into unnecessary wars.

Jim

STY,

As long as we're keeping score, it's now become clear that Jindal's "you can arrest me too!" story, for all its folksy charm, is a complete fabrication. Jindal's office admitted it yesterday, before backtracking and saying that it's approximately true, even if the details are wrong.

In fact, I've got a quote from Jindal's speech for you:

"While some of the projects in the bill make sense, their legislation is larded with wasteful spending," Jindal said. "It includes ... $8 billion for high-speed rail projects, such as a 'magnetic levitation' line from Las Vegas to Disneyland."


Since Jindal finds high-speed rail to be "wasteful," I find this a little perplexing:

"Louisiana's transportation department plans to request federal dollars for a New Orleans to Baton Rouge passenger rail service from the same pot of railroad money in the president's economic stimulus package that Gov. Bobby Jindal criticized as unnecessary pork on national television Tuesday night."

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/louisiana_to_seek_new_orleansb.html

This is a classic case of the brand of hypocrisy that the GOP excelled at during the stimulus debate. Say it's all "wasteful" while putting your hands in the pot to get yours.

Did Obama get a piece of historical trivia wrong? Yes. But he didn't flat-out lie about something that never happened or exhibit the kind of shameless hypocrisy Jindal did. Big difference.

 
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