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February 17, 2009

Private womb, public assistance

Wombs are private matters (2/13, Letters, “California octuplets”). But when the woman in charge of said womb continues to produce children without any means of support for them, she makes her private decision a public matter, regardless of how many babies are in that womb.

Californians will undoubtedly be caring for all 14 of Nadya Suleman’s children. Nevertheless, public money needs to continue to be spent to educate women and families about all of their options, because once children are here, they are ours. It takes a village …

Bernadine Kline




After our son died unexpectedly in 2003 I spent the next few years angry. hell, I'm still angry. Angry that such a wonderful and promising young man could be taken away from us. What you are feeling is normal and I wish I could tell you that it will pass, but the best I can say is that it will become more bearable with time.

I hope you have a good nights sleep tonight.


thank you. you know what? I relate everything to my son's death. I can't believe people will argue over these type of things when ther is so much pain in the world. I hurl my pain at anyone or thing- including our new President. Do I want change-you bet- but I feel powerlesss. I am stongly against Obama because he promises change and a better life and I can't understand why there are no promises to me. My son was gay and would undoubtably voted for Obama- but I want to go back =to old fashion values' little House on the Prarie stories, I can't dael with change and I need to vent my anger anywhere where someone will listen, I am afraid of where our country is headed, I need hope that we will help each other, old world values, I'm afraid these will dissapear with change. I HOPE TO BECOME A BETTER person through Daniel's death, but the anger is still there. anyone with the answer I beg for your guidance!!!!!!



Sorry to hear that your son was murdered.

Don't know what that has to do with your disdain for the President.


hey, look at it this way 14 Obama voters - Go all you underachievers and nonacheivers!!!! My son was murdered and I would love to be given large doses of seditives- fortunately my Dr's are trying to help me and forsure my insurance won't cover anything like that- I can't even get my current prescriptions filled before set dates. It all depends where the money is and goes as to who's in charge.



agreed dolce, I am just wondering who makes the decision as to what is best for the patient, the physician, the patient, the state?
If it is the physician, then we will have to abide by their decision and not question them.
If the patient, well, thats just scary sometimes.
If the state, who comprises the group that makes such a decision?
In addition, who's research do we follow in the case of conflicting results?

Another side of this is if we are not to dictate what a woman does with her womb, then how can we tell her to not have any more children? Is that not dictating how she is to use her womb?

A lot of worms in this case.


I agree with jayhawk67. Just because a patient wants a certain procedure - doesn't mean that it's good for them or, in this case, they are able to financially and emotionally take care of ALL of the children. If someone thinks it's cool to have one of their fingers amputated, would any doctor do it because the patient wants it? Doctor's do have a moral (and possibly financial in this case) obligation to only perform procedures that are in the best interest of the patient (and children in this case) - there's a lot of gray in that statement. However, since she already had 6 children and is considered disabled, I'm having a hard time understanding why ANY doctor would implant any more embryos in her.


people, people, people.....

Here is a total non-issue, an aberration that is merely a distraction when it comes right down to how it affects our lives.


Sorry to be late, just got back from the funeral for "common sense".


and if the Dr. believes abortion would cause irreperable damage; mentally, emotionally and physically, then he should be able to say no?

Undoubtedly the Dr in this case should be scrutinized, even punished to the fullest extent of the law.

T. Hanson

In short, yes. If you went to your doctor and wanted him to remove both of your kidneys because you think it is cool then I hope your doctor would say no.

If your daughter or wife was weighing 87 lbs and thought she needed to get a lap band placed I would hope the doctor would say no.

If a human cannot healthily birth over 6 children at once then doing a procedure that could result in 8 births I would hope the doctor would say no. He should be striped of his license.


So you are saying that the doctor had the right and duty to refuse to perform a service a patient had asked for?


So you are saying that the doctor had the right and duty to refuse to perform a service a patient had asked for?


The state should not have to pay to raise these children. The state should simply hire a Plaintiff's attorney to pursue the doctor who implanted the embryos and make him pay for the support.
Induced multiple births to a woman on state assistance defy common sense and most certainly run afoul of of medical ethical guidelines.

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