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March 02, 2009

Socialism or freedom?

Did you ever throw away something that you at one time prized? And later, when it was too late to retrieve that wonderful item, you felt total dismay and were irritated with yourself for being so short-sighted?

Those feelings will return in a couple or three short years once the government broadens its hold on socialism. That precious freedom that we all had, that the younger generations never appreciated because they didn’t earn it, will be gone. But it was always there, usually camouflaged in hard work, tempered with honesty and honed with integrity.

The easy life is being over-sought, even demanded, by people who feel that whatever was gained by determined entrepreneurs should be shared with irresponsible, lazy do-nothings. Lord, help us!

And, Lord, especially help those among us who seek entitlements at the cost of loss of freedom for our country. Guide them to see the truth and validity of the American way of life. It must be earned.

Don M. Russell
Independence

Comments

NoMoreMrNiceGuy

Both gangs step on our Constitutional rights. Homeownership is not a right. Niether is employement. Taxation without representation is unconstitutional. Writing hot checks from the account of Americasn is just that. Whether it be for war, SCHIP or free handouts to deadbeat banks, it is a violation of our Constitution.

Engineer

solomon
The system we have, which Obama is dedicated to changing, made us the most successful nation on earth.
As to the dress code issue, I'm in no position to comment. I have never been to the P&L district and probably never will. I have never read the dress close or observed how it is enforced.

solomon

Engineer,

We have yet to see what the outcome of Obama's action will be. What brought us here sure wasn't working. Me, I'm holding my breath.

solomon

Engineer,

Please weigh in on the topic of the dress code. If you recall you and I discussed that there would be measures taken to limit the number of young black men in the district over a year ago. You said at the time that you could not imagine a business barring paying customers who were not causing a problem.

I am not looking for you to rubber stamp my opinion, but as someone who has lived a pretty segregated life your input should prove interesting.

Engineer

solomon
So far as not being able to foresee, Obama is following the course of action Hayek warned against. Obama is dedicated to both redistribution of income and redistribution of wealth. He is leading us toward a system that has never worked. At least he is consistent. This is what he said, both in his campaign and in his two increditably dull books.

solomon

Engineer,

I read Hayek years ago, if memory serves me right the book was written in the 40s. My point is that the world and the foreseeable future are far beyond anything he could imagine.

Engineer

viet-vet1970 & solomon
If neither of you think what Hayek (one of the greatest economists) had to say applies to America today, then we are further down that road than I thought.

solomon

My apologies EKAN,

I went back and read the entire thread again and realize you were not speaking to her actions per se.

I do agree with the point you are making about freedoms.

EKAN

"I was speaking directly to your saying she surfed for porn and smoked pot..."

I did not say that she liked either porn or pot. I do not know her beyond her comments here and I would not assume that I did. What I said was that, based on her comments on this blog, she equates the ability of these types of activities to freedom.

This has just gotten too silly. Nobody even addresses the main point of my post which is that economic freedom is equally, if not more important than freedom of personal behaviors.

solomon

..."so long as you can surf for porn on the Internet while smoking a doobie"-EKAN

That's all I was addressing.

solomon

EKAN,

I did not say you said she was a liberal or a Democrat. You are correct, you've seen me take offense to that numerous times when applied to me. I was speaking directly to your saying she surfed for porn and smoked pot, neither of which she said anything about.

EKAN

"...you assigned her a position you assumed she'd be fine with."

Interesting that YOU, of all people, accuse me of labeling her as a liberal or Democrat (had you read my post you would see that I did not). I recall you going on several name calling tirades and calling people idiots and morons so I know what you mean when you say it happens all the time here.

EKAN

"...you assigned her a position you assumed she'd be fine with."

Interesting that YOU, of all people, accuse me of labeling her as a liberal or Democrat (had you read my post you would see that I did not). I recall you going on several name calling tirades and calling people idiots and morons so I know what you mean when you say it happens all the time here.

solomon

No problem connecting the dots here EKAN, you assigned her a position you assumed she'd be fine with. Happens here all the time.

EKAN

"A 100% tax rate is absurd and no one is talking seriously about that."

You are correct that nobody is talking about a 100% tax rate. However, your statement that "entitlements and freedoms are two completely different entities....and mostly unrelated." indicates that you believe that taxes and freedoms are mutually exclusive and a maximization of one does not lead to a minimization of another.

"Porn is already legal."

No kidding! Think a little bit, please. Had the Supreme Court not ruled that this is considered free speech it probably wouldn't be legal.

"Before you label me as a liberal..."

I did not label you as anything so I don't understand this comment at all.

Since you and Sol are having trouble connecting the dots...there is more to freedom than personal behavior. Anytime the government makes you do something that you don't want to do, freedom is lost. This can range from what you do in your living room at home or how you distribute the product of your labor.

solomon

Girl Power,

Unless you say the magic words you will always find people who assign you to their opposition. Case in point, you said nothing about porn, so you must surf the net for it.

Stifled Freedom

A 100% tax rate is absurd and no one is talking seriously about that. If you want a serious response, make a serious comment.

Porn is already legal. Why did you bring that into the discussion? It is not an example of a lost freedom.

Before you label me as a liberal, re-read my comments. I am critical of both Democrats and Republicans in thier unholy alliance to take our freedoms.

Again, partisan politics triumphs over common sense and we wonder why we have lost so much.

EKAN

Girl Power,

While I agree with your comments on freedom's lost regarding personal behavior you are very one-sided. Apparently, to you, a 100% tax rate has no impact on your freedom so long as you can surf for porn on the internet while smoking a doobie.

The intent of regulating markets, inacting variable tax rates, and other government interventionist policies is to erect unnatural incentives or force changes in behavior. This is, by definition, the opposite of freedom.

Forcing me to participate in a program that I would otherwise not (such as social security) is a limitation of freedom. Forcing me to contribute to someone elses well being is involuntary servitude (such as welfare).

solomon

C'mon guys, Don is just asking the Lord to save him from "irresponsible, lazy do-nothings".

He reminds me of an athlete claiming victory because God was on his side. God must have been against the other guy.

Stifled Freedom

Mr. Russell, entitlements and freedoms are two completely different entities....and mostly unrelated.

As far as freedom, you lost that long time ago at the hands of both Democrats and Republicans. The early 1900s was a period of religious/moral crusading that gave us prohibition and many others laws against marijuana, drugs, prostitution and other things that consenting adults should have the right to do in a "free" country. Most of these laws were passed based on willfully accepted lies.

We gained some back in the 60s and 70s, but we have backslide again to attempting to regulate behavior and morality. There seems to be an unholy alliance between Democrats and Republicans on taking your freedoms.

And people’s fanatical belief in the Lord has been no help to freedom either. If anything it has been the major contributor to the loss of personal freedoms.

I don’t see entitlements, while expensive and unnecessary, as the cause of your loss of freedom. You may loose money, but not freedoms from entitlements.

Take off the partisan politics glasses and see things in reality. You thinking is not the solution, but more of the problem.....people hiding in partisan politics instead of visualizing and seeking what the Constitution intends to provide.

 
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