Founding Mothers

Happy 235th birthday, America. Here’s what I think our Founding Mothers might say about things today (because you know they really did exist):

We still have had no woman president. We still have no equal pay for equal work, and women’s legal health care rights are being taken away.

Libby Cunningham
Prairie Village

Comments

[hajkar]

Kevin, Groenhagen-

Really?

[o]

Dear 'Peanut Gallery:

This is what the 'comments' section is for. A space where we can voice our opinions and express ourselves without stooping to gutter level ignorance in our responses.

[Groenhagen]

uncommon:

"Really? You people are joking right? So, historical perspective wouldn't change the way someone 200+ years ago view today? Any B movie would tell you that answer."

No one said that. I merely asked hakjar to cite a specific example. Thus far, he has failed to do so.

[uncommon sense]

"Still no examples..." the peanut gallery.

Really? You people are joking right? So, historical perspective wouldn't change the way someone 200+ years ago view today? Any B movie would tell you that answer. :)

[hajkar]

I provided an example. You can lead a horse to water... Groenhagen's refusal to accept my example is nothing more than ideological obstinance at the expense of relatively simple logic.

[Groenhagen]

hajkar:

Can't cite just even one example?

[hajkar]

Advancements in science and healthcare.

[Lyra]

John S,
Well said.

[hajkar]

"Cite an example."

Why do you think our founders provided means to change the laws of the land. Don't be ridiculous.

[Groenhagen]

hajkar:

"I could care less about what our founding parents thought."

I believe that sentence means the opposite of what you intended to say.

"The perspective of history would most certainly cause many of those founders to change their position on any number of issues."

Cite an example.

[hajkar]

I could care less about what our founding parents thought. It should be about what "we" think. The perspective of history would most certainly cause many of those founders to change their position on any number of issues.

The reality of "Now" is not the reality of "Then". We should honor our forebears but following their philosophy in unchanging lockstep does their memory and our country a disservice.

[o]

"We still have had no woman president" I think that statement is correct, yes?

Either a president bachman, clinton or palin would fall into that category. Whether liberal, conserved or independent can fall into that category. Let's not split hairs on this one.

[Kate]

Kevin, LOL!

Mark, "And, it seems that health care rights are being added for unborn women." Exactly.

[Mark Robertson]

Libby,
As Gary asks, how would President Palin or President Bachmann sound to you? I thought so.
You obviously mean that we haven't had a liberal woman president yet. Thank you.

Mark Robertson
Independence

[Mark Robertson]

Libby,
There are many female entrepreneurs worth millions and even billions.(Oprah, Meg Whitman etc)
And, it seems that health care rights are being added for unborn women. Thank you.

Mark Robertson
Independence

[Gary]

Libby, you certainly do have equal pay for equal work. A woman chemist who has worked steadily for 5 years gets paid the same as a male chemist at the same company with the same background. What you don't have, but want, is equal pay for unequal work, so that for instance a woman who is a secretary (who works inside at a job that does not involve extreme physical labor or danger) by governmental fiat gets the same pay as a man who loads cargo onto trucks (working in all kinds of weather at back breaking dangerous labor). A man who is a secretary, all else being equal, would be paid the same as the woman secretary, and a woman cargo loader would be paid the same as a man if she does the same job.

As for a female chief executive, how does "President Bachman" strike you?

[John S]

You had me until you started talking about "legal health care rights" which, of course, is code for murdering babies. The founding mothers would have been appalled at the thought. The right to murder does not exist outside of sick, twisted minds.