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March 19, 2012

Sex and Rick Santorum

If I can believe what I’m hearing, Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum believes the only reason to have sex is for procreation.

When his wife is past child-bearing age, does he swear off sex for the rest of his life? Does he divorce his wife because she no longer has a viable egg and marry someone younger so he can continue to have sex for the “right” reasons?

Can women of a certain age never again have sex because they are too old to have children? Can men and women who are sterile never have sex? Any time you have sex and you don’t want it to result in a baby, is it a sin?

What a confusing conviction Rick Santorum has.

Shirley Lewis

Overland Park

 

 

Comments

BMB

Why do women think the GOP has targeted them?

GA trying to pass laws making women guilty until proven innocent of intentionally harming a fetus upon miscarriage: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/proposed-georgia-law-would-make-women-who-miscarry-guilty-until-proven-innocent/

Again in Georgia, HB954 requiring women whose fetuses have died in their wombs to pass the dead fetus naturally, not with medical intervention: http://blisstree.com/live/georgia-rep-wants-to-force-women-to-carry-stillborn-fetuses-like-cows-do-693/

The Arizona bill, and one similar being considered in Kansas, that allows doctors who do not believe in abortion to withhold information from pregnant women if it may result in them choosing abortion, even in an ectopic pregnancy. http://docakilah.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/states-pass-bills-allowing-doctors-to-withhold-information-from-pregnant-patients/

(Some of those links are from blogs whose opinions are clear, although each one does link to the proposed or passed state bills mentioned above.)

It seems that every day I read about another state trying to limit a woman's right to make her own decisions regarding her health care. So why do we women feel there is a war on women? As a woman, I can tell you these are just some examples of why I feel this way.

LL

No worry's Uncommon....I always speak for myself as my husband speaks for himself, too...Can't stand when women have to have their husbands order for them...(just basic respect)...

Actually, as I've stated, I'm for Romney, but I still feel UNAFRAID of a RS presidency...With some of the fears (democratic) women are claiming will happen if a republican becomes president (this is the "war" of which I'm speaking)...

Congresswoman Wasserman Schultz has spoken of this war, Anjelica Huston & Rosie O'Donnell were scaring viewers a few days ago, Joy Behar, along with some on the view have voiced this fear to women...Look at the post earlier by o yesterday morning...she sounds scared to me...

Possibly you don't see it because you're a man?...Ask your wife if she's heard any of this slant...Anyway, it is very real to many women - led by high power media women...They want the female vote! (mark my words)

Uncommon sense

BTW, I don't think anyone is advocating for preferential treatment of women in the military. If a woman can do it and meets the requirements, then she should be allowed the opportunity. This is the same in the corporate world. NO ONE, especially the woman I know, want to be treated different; in fact, quite the opposite. They want to be treated as equals. RS's quote was, "...but I don't think on the front line of combat is not the best place and it's not maximizing what they can bring to the table."

Besides using a double negative, RS (to me) is saying that women should be treated differently. He is generalizing women, again...IMO, and making a blanket statement.

The glass ceiling is still very real. Women, on average, still get paid less than men for equal work and equal hours. I don't see some war on women, but I do still see vast room for improvement and equality. So, when I hear a presidential candidate speak, like RS, I cringe. It seems he celebrates that inequality because women are different and SHOULD be treated differently. He made the arguments, many in his book, that a woman's place is in the home. Again, if the woman decided that for herself, great. If a woman is forced to accept that, then thats a form of abuse and control, in my opinion and the professional opinion of MOST all clinical counselors, therapists and psychologists.

Uncommon sense

Thanks for responding, LL. I know this thread was about sex and all. Since we really don't have any concrete comments by RS to go on, where that issue is involved, I just thought I'd pull some others from his stump speeches and book to help get idea of how he might think on the issue. My quotes weren't taken out of any context. In fact, I posted links to all quotes that provide the situation, context, and links to the full speaches. There's nothing to hide here.

I guess I just don't see a war on women or how the administration is trying to persuade anyone of it. I hear some crazy comments (especially from RS) that remind me of an era where women are better seen and not heard.

I have run into these old timers in my life. I used to be a bartender when I was putting myself through my undergrad. Every so often, an older couple would sit down and the woman wouldn't even look at me or address me. I would ask her a question and the man would answer. If she needed anything, she would ask her husband and then he would ask me. It was sad, to me, when I would see this. It's a form of emotional abuse, anyway you cut it. It's a control issue. IMO, real men do not need to control their wives. To me, a lot of SR comments border on this control. That's all!

LL

Uncommon....

Shirley's letter only addresses Santoum's personal sexual views (if that's truly what they are)...None of these thoughts can be construed into anything that as president Santorum would do to change the status quo...

President Bush was against abortion but, abortion remains legal...These personal views of his keep coming up because the liberal press keeps asking them.....I believe in Equal pay and compensation...A law today, though women as a rule still make less money for the same job than her male counterpart...

Regarding military work or normally masculine jobs...I believe that if the woman in question is able to perform all of the duties the job entails than yes, she should have the same opportunities allowed as any male would...but on the other hand, she should not be afforded special treatment and lower requirements....

...and I know you glided over my belief that this "war on women" is manufactured by the left for the women's vote...I just have to hope that most women are much smarter than the Obama Administration believes them to be....

Kate

Posted by: WoodyKC | March 19, 2012 at 05:45 PM

Pretty much sums up my feelings on the topics. I agree that everyone in front line combat positions should meet the same qualifications. And that's pretty much the consensus of the commenters on the milblogs I read.

I think the inconsistent argument is the one that looks at the job and determines the qualifications based on who is applying for it.

WoodyKC

I addressed every statement that was provided out of context, I know you’ve never complained about people doing that either sense. Please tell me how my views are inconsistent in your mind. Also explain why someone saying what they believe equates to making laws to force everyone to have the same view, kind of like saying everyone must by insurance.

Uncommon sense

Wow...woody, thanks for the jokes.

I agree gg, he is a bit inconsistent, but we're wasting our time.

LL, you really see nothing wrong with all the rhetoric that Santorum spews about his beliefs about women and the specific roles women should play in society. I agree, it really should be between him and his wife. However, he's not some joe shmo like woody, RS is running for president of the United States. He talks about his Catholic beliefs, not as a background for his values but as the very structure of his values.

Just saying'...if you have no problem, then more power to you. It just seemed that glossed over some war on women BS, but didn't really address his actual statements.

WoodyKC

Nice response gg, that's what makes you funny. How am I inconsistent? I say to judge everyone based on their ability to do the job assigned and that man and women both have differences that give each an advantage based on the situation. Didn’t realize that reality was that hard to grasp.

ggbridge

Yes, mostly because your position is inconsistent.

WoodyKC

So the consistency of my position is beyond your grasp gg? If you want the same role meet the same standards that are required in the environment of front line ground forces. I celebrate the differences between the sexes, but in a business environment the level standards are knowledge of the business, I see no inherent advantage based on sex unless there is a physical component. As always make equal requirements and I have no problem. When you change the standard to the advantage of one over another based on sex, skin color, or any other arbitrary factor, you’re a bigot.

The joke that the libs are trying to use with the war on women is only believed by unthinking fools who like to find offense in everything they see. It’s also similar to people who think only white people can be racist.

gringoloco

I think this is the original speech by Santorum:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=98178#axzz1pcORE85z

I've hunted all my usual spots for the "vomit" speech. I'm just not willing to sit through almost 30 mins of this to make sure.

Please attack at your leisure. BTW: If you have a for sure post of the original video, I think it's important enough to spend my time on.

ggbridge

Obama's aim is to make college accessible for everyone who wants to go. Not sure where that got mixed up into snob talk for Santorum.

Woody, all in one post you say, "Why are the physical requirements for entry into many of the branches of service lower for women than men."

Then follow up with, "The people who devalue women are those who ignore the differences between the sexes and think that one is better than the other."

You out and out said men were superior to women in the military, so which is it? Conservatives tie themselves in knots to disguise their sexism.

PS, count me as one stay-at-home parent who is a totally and completely indoctrinated feminist.

LL

Well....Uncommon you asked for women's opinions...here's mine...

Santorum is entitled to his religious views...and if Mrs. Santorum is OK with their beliefs then it's nobody else's business....

As I stated earlier...the democrats are hyping this "so-called-war-on-women. All of women's "rights" are intact" just pandering for the women's vote since most men now (statistically) are leaning right....Listening to this back and forth among you men is rather interesting.....

...I just don't see the world coming to an end if someone who has pro life views becomes president v/s this one serving now who actually backed "Live Birth Abortion"...a very extreme form of murder IMO....

gringoloco

Santorum has clearly stated that they very ideas JFK professed in his famous speech on religion makes him physically ill, says about everything I need to know about him.

TRANSCRIPT OF JFK SPEECH THAT MAKES SANTORUM WANT TO VOMIT:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600

FILM OF JFK SPEECH PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUl6T2hQIbk

FILM OF JFK SPEECH PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xaAfSyvQ0I&feature=related

FILM OF JFK SPEECH PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaq3Qt_afL8&feature=related

Parts 2 & 3 are the Q&A following. It cuts off at the end. The last question, with the answer cut off, shows a Protestant Official quoting some book saying that Catholics are required to lie to enhance the power of their church. Hmmmmm? And Santorum is very devoutly what religion?

WoodyKC

Once again a lib saying I’m twisting something when they are doing the spin. Why are the physical requirements for entry into many of the branches of service lower for women than men? You need to try to think and not work on your “he must hate women” approach to any conservative. It seems to me that his opinion is it would be better overall for the family if the mother stayed home to raise the kids. I agree, but I would never think of dictating that to anyone why do you assume he would? You do seem to know the thoughts and intentions of allot of people, you must be big into travel to personally know all these people you comment about.

College can be beneficial but it is not necessarily the best option in all situations, making that assumption that it is the best for everyone is imo narrow minded. I took his comment regarding the earth to be along the lines of the approach to using resources. Like the complete focus on alternative energy that many have while ignoring what we can do with what we have. I’m sure though that you’ve never complained about someone taking singles quotes out of a broader discussion then going on to tell us what they really meant.

No need to despise yourself, if you can’t see that my interpretations are as valid as yours for the reasons I stated then you have the opportunity to see how narrow your focus is in this case. And I used the term in general when talking about front line positions for a reason, but in the end make the physical standards the same for all then send them up. BTW the reason I respect the stay at home mom is they are doing something I don’t think I could handle, going to a job everyday that easy and common. The people who devalue women are those who ignore the differences between the sexes and think that one is better than the other. That is totally dependent on the individual and their skills, as with college the one way only crowd is a little narrow minded for me.

Uncommon sense

Let's hear from some of the women on this thread. What do you think?

Uncommon sense

Good point hajkar. I think the real problem with the con talk about women is with all the romantic ideals, they don't see how they are really devaluing women, IMO.

Uncommon sense

No Woodrow...I didn't miss anything. I took it as I took it. You can twist it all, if you like.

No where did I devalue any woman who stays at home to help raise a family. The point, and I guess you missed it, is that RS cites surveys and anecdotal evidence for an opposing viewpoint, then goes to basically say that those same women must be infected by some feminist thought. If a woman wants to stay home, more power to her. However, RS is basically saying that they SHOULD stay home, even though many don't want to.

I'm not sure where I provided a quote about business, but I'm open to suggestions.

Would everyone agree that college is a place where an individual may attain the "skill sets" to better themselves. I sure did. Could a poor unwed single mother not be able to do the same? Are you saying they are inferior, Woody? See, that's how I would think most sane people would see that comment.

Okay, so most women wouldn't be able to lift as much as a man. I guess that may be accurate. I have seen some pretty scrawny males and I gave seen some pretty buff females. Again, you stereotype, woody.

I didn't miss the part where he said "use it wisely and steward it wisely," but perhaps you missed the part where he went to say, for our benefit and not the Earth's. Tell us all Woody, how would we benefit if the Earth doesn't? The Earth doesn't need us, we need it. That quote was to point out that RS doesn't really think things through. I guess you don't either then, as evidenced by your retort here.

Thanks for the blinders comment though. That was rich. Oh, and the over sensitive comment was great too. I just really despise ignorance, especially when it tries to mask itself in that good warm fuzzy feeling of faith and family. Beware the wolf in sheeps clothing.

hajkar

Biology? I hope you don't mean the smaller physical nature of women compared to men. The most decorated US soldier from WWII, Audie Murphy, was only 5'5" and 110 lbs. and was rejected by two branches of the armed services before catching on with the Army.

 
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